Posted on 11/25/2003 3:04:51 PM PST by narby
Huh. About that many. Let's see:
Scottsdale - Falcon - Glendale - Deer Valley - Chandler - Williams - Goodyear - Carefree.
Then Sky Harbor itself, which has more private traffic than you'd believe, and three private fields that I can't remember the names of (one of which has a bit of traffic).
I think that's it.
That's the one.
I should have remembered it cause I always had to talk to them while flying banners.
The time I remember was towing a private banner over mile-square-park. I think. Anyway, I sat there and waited on Clinton to show up so I could see it take off. He was late, and I ran out of time.
I'd thought of that. But that's the risk you take to excersise your first amendment right to whine.
A thirty mile radius and an FAA that doesn't always get the word out on time for starters.
3/1296 (#2) PART 1 OF 4 FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS PHOENIX, ARIZONA, NOVEMBER 25, 2003 LOCAL. PURSUANT TO TITLE 14, SECTION 91.141 OF THE CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN 30 NMR UP TO BUT NOT INCLUDING FL180 OF 333028N/1120111W OR THE PXR319005.1 FROM 0311252210 (1510 LOCAL 11/25/03) UNTIL 0311260240 (1940 LOCAL 11/25/03), WITHIN 10 NMR UP TO BUT NOT INCLUDING FL180 OF 332603N/1120029W OR THE PXR260001.9 FROM 0311252210 (1510 LOCAL 11/25/03) UNTIL 0311252240 (1540 LOCAL 11/25/03), WITHIN 10 NMR UP TO BUT NOT INCLUDING FL180 OF 333028N/1120111W OR THE PXR319005.1 FROM 0311252235 (1535 LOCAL 11/25/03) UNTIL 0311260145 (1845 LOCAL 11/25/03), WITHIN 10 NMR UP TO BUT NOT INCLUDING FL180 OF 332603N/1120029W OR THE PXR260001.9 FROM 0311260130 (1830 LOCAL 11/25/03) UNTIL 0311260240 (1940 LOCAL 11/25/03), EXCEPT AS SPECIFIED BELOW AND/OR UNLESS AUTHORIZED BY ATC: END PART 1 OF 4 WIE UNTIL UFN
xxxxxxxxxx PART 2 OF 4 FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS PHOENIX, ARIZONA, A. ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATIONS WITHIN 10 NMR AREA LISTED ABOVE ARE PROHIBITED EXCEPT FOR: 1. LAW ENFORCEMENT AND MILITARY AIRCRAFT, DIRECTLY SUPPORTING THE UNITED STATES SECRET SERVICE (USSS) AND THE OFFICE OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES (POTUS), EMERGENCY MEDICAL FLIGHTS, AND REGULARLY SCHEDULED COMMERCIAL PASSENGER AND CARGO AIRCRAFT THAT MEET OR EXCEED THE TSAS DOMESTIC SECURITY INTEGRATED PROGRAM STANDARDS AND ARE ARRIVING INTO AND/OR DEPARTING FROM 14 CFR PART 139 AIRPORTS. 2. FOR OPERATIONS WITHIN THE TFR ALL MEDICAL FLIGHT OPERATION COMPANIES SHALL COORDINATE WITH THE USSS PRIOR TO THIS NOTAM GOING INTO EFFECT TO AVOID POTENTIAL DELAYS. B. WITHIN THE AIRSPACE BETWEEN 10 NMR AND 30 NMR LISTED ABOVE: 1. ALL AIRCRAFT ENTERING OR EXITING THE 30 NM RADIUS TFR SHALL BE ON AN ACTIVE IFR OR VFR FLIGHT PLAN WITH A DISCRETE CODE ASSIGNED END PART 2 OF 4 WIE UNTIL UFN
PART 3 OF 4 FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS PHOENIX, ARIZONA, BY AN AIR TRAFFIC CONTROL (ATC) FACILITY. AIRCRAFT SHALL BE SQUAWKING THE DISCRETE CODE PRIOR TO DEPARTURE AND AT ALL TIMES WHILE IN THE TFR. 2. ALL AIRCRAFT ENTERING OR EXITING THE 30 NM RADIUS TFR MUST REMAIN IN TWO-WAY RADIO COMMUNICATIONS WITH ATC. 3. ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATING WITHIN THE 10 TO 30 NM RADIUS TFR AND OPERATING AT ALTITUDES OF UP TO BUT NOT INCLUDING FL180 ARE LIMITED TO AIRCRAFT ARRIVING OR DEPARTING LOCAL AIRFIELDS AND ATC MAY AUTHORIZE TRANSIT OPERATIONS. AIRCRAFT MAY NOT LOITER. 4. FLIGHT TRAINING, PRACTICE INSTRUMENT APPROACHES, AEROBATIC FLIGHT, GLIDER OPERATIONS, PARACHUTE OPERATIONS, ULTRALIGHT, HANG GLIDING, BALLOON OPERATIONS AGRICULTURE/CROP DUSTING, ANIMAL POPULATION CONTROL FLIGHT OPERATIONS, BANNER TOWING OPERATIONS, COMMERCIAL CARGO CARRIER OPERATIONS THAT FAIL TO MEET OR EXCEED THE TSA''S DOMESTIC SECURITY INTEGRATED PROGRAM STANDARDS; ARE NOT AUTHORIZED. END PART 3 OF 4 WIE UNTIL UFN
PART 4 OF 4 FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS PHOENIX, ARIZONA, 5. ALL U.S. SECRET SERVICE CLEARED AIRCRAFT OPERATORS BASED IN THE AREA SHOULD NOTIFY THE US SECRET SERVICE PRIOR TO THEIR DEPARTURE. 6. ALL MEDICAL FLIGHT OPERATION COMPANIES SHALL COORDINATE WITH THE USSS PRIOR TO THIS NOTAM GOING INTO EFFECT TO AVOID POTENTIAL DELAYS WHEN THE NOTAM IS IN EFFECT. C. IT IS RECOMMENDED THAT ALL AIRCRAFT OPERATORS CHECK NOTAMS FREQUENTLY FOR POSSIBLE PRESIDENTIAL REQUIRED CHANGES TO THIS TFR PRIOR TO OPERATIONS WITHIN THIS REGION. END PART 4 OF 4 WIE UNTIL UFN
For 333028N/1120111W:
30nm radius TFR w/ 10nm radius no-fly zone
Effective time for 30nm radius TFR:
1510 local until 1940 local, Nov 25
Effective time for 10nm radius no-fly zone:
1535 local until 1845 local, Nov 25
Impacted Airports:
Phoenix Sky Harbor International
Scottsdale
Phoenix Deer Valley
Stellar Airpark
Glendale Municipal
Falcon Field
Chandler Municipal
Phoenix Goodyear
Pleasant Valley
Williams Gateway
Lost Dutchman Heliport
Estrella Sailport
Seriously, SERIOUSLY NOW.....come on.....it'll be over before ya know it. Maybe, just maybe the good guys know stuff we don't. And there's a reason for this.
Seriously, SERIOUSLY NOW.....that's how a presidential TFR looks. I did not alter the format. They haven't done a damn thing to enhance presidential security. Did you notice how many airports were closed? One was even for sailplanes. What if ground traffic in a 30 mile radius was halted? They're more of a threat than airplanes.
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