Skip to comments.Scottsdale AZ Airport Closed (Bush is in town)
Posted on 11/25/2003 3:04:51 PM PST by narby
Scottsdale AZ Airport, and every other airport in Phoenix is now shut down for the visit of the President. Scottsdale ATIS information YANKEE says Phoenix airspace closure is from 2210Z till 0240Z. The Scottsdale no-fly zone is from 2235Z to 0145Z
I support the President. And I know he has to have security. But I strongly believe that the citizens of this country have a right to travel, by whatever means at their disposal including personal aircraft, to wherever they wish, within reasonable limits. Closing an entire city is BS.
It's been plenty long enough since 9/11 for the secret service to have acquired shoulder fired missles, phalanx guns, whatever it takes. We're 20 miles from where the President has landed in AF1, and this is nuts.
The really stupid thing is that this really does nothing for real security, just as the "security" we had in place didn't accomplish a thing on 9/11. I can think of many ways to get around this airspace closure in an airplane (which I will refrain from putting on the net).
Exactly. And while the Presidents aircraft is in the vicinity, that limit is enforced. What's your problem?
Whether the area is 30 miles, or 3, an intruder aircraft would be able to penetrate to within a fraction of a mile before being spotted (flying "under the radar" isn't exactly classified, and I serously doubt AWACS are in the air with "look down" radar). So the limit might as well be a half mile.
For the president to shut down 8 or 10 airports in a city is nuts.
Actually, yes. I wanted to test a new oil pressure guage so I could fly home over the holiday.
The cost to flight instruction businesses and FBO's today undoubtedly is in the hundreds of thousands (you ever buy gas for a Gulfstream V?).
You own a GV?
I flew an airplane in circles for a hour, towing a banner within 2 miles of AF1 waiting on Clinton, sitting on the ramp in So. California (An Army airfield, forget the name, he never landed at LAX again after that first bruhaha).
I've seen AF1 air-to-air at least twice with Clinton on board. Within 2 miles of it. Now the entire airspace over the city of Phoenix is closed to private citizens.
Did I say that?
The example was the loss of business. I don't own one, but there's one parked in the hangar next door that isn't flying today.
The serious whining in the last few months was on a couple of occasions a flight of F-18's landed for fuel (don't ask me why they came here).
I'd forgotten how cool it is to be within 200 feet of an afterburner.
Course, they'd be the aircraft that could fly today.
You didn't say either way. That's why I asked. Geesh.
I have a friend that has a charter company that has several jets. Some "land darts", Gulfstreams, etc. It's the only way to travel:)
Bush has said this will take generations. That it will take the perserverance of the Cold War.
I don't doubt it, and support him in his actions. But they can buy the Secret Service some Phalanx Guns to protect him. They don't have to shut down the whole world.
Never been in a GV or GII.
Traveled a bit in a Falcon 50 though. Back then the French were the good guys.
And the TFR really hozes with flight training, which is a huge business out here.
I haven't heard this airport this quiet since 9/11.
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