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Other than slamming the RATs at their own game, can you tell me why this is a good thing for conservatives, Repubos, and the country in general?

It's not! In fact, if we don't start threatening to NOT vote for Bush next year, it's only going to get worse. At this point, I'm seriously considering voting for some obscure, conservative, third-party candidate. The Pubbies are letting us down, big time.

It's not! In fact, if we don't start threatening to NOT vote for Bush next year, it's only going to get worse. At this point, I'm seriously considering voting for some obscure, conservative, third-party candidate. The Pubbies are letting us down, big time

Yep and paving the way for Hillary or Dean signing an $800 billion bill with no medical savings accounts or other reforms.

You cut off your noses off to spite your face types are humorous.

-Adding to Medicare's Unfunded Liabilities. Medicare is already projected to go bankrupt. Nonetheless, this bill will unconscionably add hundreds of billions of dollars in unfunded liabilities to the program.

- Deficits. This bill will add at least $400 billion to the already record budget deficits projected in the near term. If past history is any guide, we can expect the actual cost to be much higher.

-Millions of Retirees Will Lose Good Coverage. Despite provisions that attempt to prevent companies from dropping coverage for their retirees, we believe this bill will lead to millions of retirees losing benefits currently being provided by their former employers.

- A Retreat on the Promise of Reform. Real reforms have largely given way to "fig leaves" such as demonstration projects (which Congress has a remarkable tendency of ignoring or undermining anyway).