Jackson's Explicit Letters Seized

The Sydney Daily Telegraph ^ | 11/24/03 | Caroline Graham and Sharon Churcher

[raccoonradio]

Jackson's explicit letters seized

By CAROLINE GRAHAM and SHARON CHURCHER in London

November 24, 2003

EXPLICIT letters and poems said to have been written by Michael Jackson to his alleged victim will form the centrepiece of the sex-abuse case against him.

Police seized at least a dozen letters during the raid on Jackson's Neverland ranch last week.

"The district attorney is convinced these letters will be crucial to the case against Jackson," a source close to the investigation said yesterday.

"The boy told investigators about letters and poems and their precise location inside Michael's home. These letters were among the evidence seized, along with videotapes.

"They are very explicit and intimate and show a degree of familiarity. Basically, they appear to be love letters from Michael to the boy."

The accuser, 12-year-old Los Angeles cancer victim (name redacted by moderator), also told police Jackson's pet name for him was Rubba.

"The boy first told this to his therapist, then repeated it to police," the source said.

"He said Jackson called him Rubba because one of the games they used to play was called rubba rubba. The boy said, 'Michael told me he was my rubba rubba friend."'

Although police handling the case in Santa Barbara, California, have been barred from revealing any details, it is understood the alleged abuse took place in February.

Jackson is said to have befriended (name redacted by moderator) -- who, during a controversial British documentary screened earlier this year, admitted having shared a bed with the singer -- over a long period.

A source close to 45-year-old Jackson said: "For the past five or six years, he's taken kids from fractured homes and nurtured them as a father figure. As they get older, he teaches them fun things to do.

"Michael says he learned this from an adult when he was a teenager. No-one on his staff ever said anything. He's a tyrant. Everybody obeys the man."

Another Jackson source said: "The boy told of everything that went on and described things in Michael's closets, his bathroom, what was under his bed."

In her statements to police, Gavin's mother, Janet Ventura, has revealed that Jackson encouraged her son to call him "Daddy".

Ms Ventura has claimed she, (name redacted by moderator) and his two siblings were held virtual prisoners at Neverland, 100km north of Santa Barbara.

When she learned of her son's accusations of molestation -- which included claims that Jackson plied him with wine and sleeping pills -- she fled with her family in the dead of night.

A source close to district attorney Tom Sneddon, who will prosecute the case, said: "The DA is very confident with the evidence he has. This includes letters, videos and computer files. They believe they have enough to nail Jackson."

Jackson's legal team is said to be encouraging him to consider a plea bargain, possibly an insanity defence that would allow him to serve time in a state mental hospital instead of jail.

There was speculation yesterday that the singer raised his $3 million bail with the help of Miami-based Al Malnik, a lawyer for notorious gangster Meyer Lansky, who died in 1983.

Malnik reportedly began making large loans to Jackson when his career nosedived.

Malnik, 69, was cited by the New Jersey Casino Control Commission in 1980 and 1992 as a person of unsuitable character.

The prosecution source said: "It just gets weirder and weirder. Michael supposedly has financial problems, but hiring someone with Mob connections is bizarre."

Prosecutors are said to be spreading a net around the world for other alleged victims. One boy of special interest is said to be in El Salvador, another in South Africa.

They are also said to be considering quizzing the son of an English premiership footballer.

Charges of aiding and abetting are likely to be filed against members of Jackson's entourage.

At the same time as the Neverland swoop, police raided two homes in Los Angeles.

One was reportedly the residence of Marc Schaffel, a gay video producer who filmed the rebuttal tape Jackson released just after Martin Bashir's British documentary aired.

[WasDougsLamb]

Gee Jermaine. Is Redneck Racist what you call parents who don't want your brother molesting their kids? I always thought were were called concerned ,loving parents.

[sangoo]

I don't care for hearing the same noise over and over. Once you 've heard one tune, you've heard them all.

That's how I feel about most of the praise songs they sing at church these days.

[Travis McGee]

I agree. And I think "his" kids are in great danger, because when MJ "leaves this cruel world for a better place" he's going to take his little designer babies with him.

[At _War_With_Liberals]

I have little sympathy either, but this trend is disturbing.

[RightOnline]

"Actually, Jackson's music has always been a hit with people from all demographics. Especially adults, who grew up in the 70s and are now passing down the music to their kids."

I beg to differ.

[WackyKat]

I can't believe the state isn't moving to get custody of the kids
If he were Joe Schmoe, those kids would have been taken the day the warrant was served.
They take the kids of us "peasants" just on bare allegations of neglect

[At _War_With_Liberals]

I am not defending Jackson, I am criticizing the DA.

[Crispy]

"I never saw any good in Jacksons music. There wasn't a real solid talent there. It appealed to those who like the same sound over and over and over again. It was boring."

I was more into Metal when I was in Junior High / High School but I have to admit some of MJ's stuff was revolutionary and ahead of its time.

I am not trying to defend his recent behavior in the last 12 or so years. He is a freak and needs to be put away from society.

[concerned about politics]

That's how I feel about most of the praise songs they sing at church these days.

LOL. Is that a joke?

[sharktrager]

I though all Michael Jackson, Kobe Bryant, et. al. threads were goingto chat. At least that's what I got out of the 400 post thread on the subject yesterday.

[sharktrager]

Not much better than when they call us nazis, now is it.

[swilhelm73]

Well, I hope that the police and eventual jury do a good job in finding Jackson's innocence or guilt.

Looking at this politically though, and this could contribute to a 'Perfect Storm" scenario for the Democrats.

The campaign for 2004 will feature heavy debate on the issue of gay marriage thanks to the recent court decision, and the Democrat candidate is going to have to be for the issue at least in a weasily Democrat sort of way...

At the same time we are going to see some of the Democrat party heavyweights, so to speak, like Sharpton, arguing, essentially, that the young hispanic boy who has accused Jackson is a tool of white racists. While at the same time they will be ignoring and minimizing the charges of homosexual pedophilia.

Could the right have asked for a better wedge issue for those socially conservative, economically liberal hispanics then this one?

[metalboy]

I love how they twist this all around, "spin it" as O`Reilly would say, when they mention MJ`s house..."His house is like that because he loves to help children" Oh you mean like Hugh Hefner and the Playboy mansion..The mansion is set up like that because Hugh honest to God just loves to "help women". Can you imagine Hugh saying "I never had sex with any of those women running around my house". The only difference between Hugh Hefner and Michael Jackson besides sexual preference, is Michael is a 1000 times more blatant.

[Sabertooth]

How could you possibly have missed this...?

FR search on your title: Jackson's explicit letters seized

Jackson's Explicit Letters Seized
			Posted by raccoonradio On 11/23/2003 8:30 PM PST with 51 comments The Sydney Daily Telegraph ^ | 11/24/03 | Caroline Graham and Sharon Churcher <p>EXPLICIT letters and poems said to have been written by Michael Jackson to his alleged victim will form the centrepiece of the sex-abuse case against him.</p> <p>Police seized at least a dozen letters during the raid on Jackson's Neverland ranch last week.</p> <p>"The district attorney is convinced these letters will be crucial to the case against Jackson," a source close to the investigation said yesterday.</p> <p>"The boy told investigators about letters and poems and their precise location inside Michael's home. These letters were among the evidence seized, along with videotapes.</p>
Jackson's explicit letters seized (child's name redacted for FR)
			Posted by Sabertooth On 11/23/2003 9:36 AM PST with 235 comments The Daily Telegraph ^ | November 24th, 2003 | CAROLINE GRAHAM and SHARON CHURCHER EXPLICIT letters and poems said to have been written by Michael Jackson to his alleged victim will form the centrepiece of the sex-abuse case against him. Police seized at least a dozen letters during the raid on Jackson's Neverland ranch last week. "The district attorney is convinced these letters will be crucial to the case against Jackson," a source close to the investigation said yesterday. "The boy told investigators about letters and poems and their precise location inside Michael's home. These letters were among the evidence seized, along with videotapes. "They are very explicit and intimate and show a degree...

Already posted, not once, but twice, and deleted once, and already redacted, eleven hours befor this thread was posted.

Did you even search?

[for-q-clinton]

"Ordinary" pedophiles get put in prison,often for many years, even though many of them could justifiably be (and are) diagnosed with psychiatric illness.

Why do you think MJ should be treated any better- is it because he's a rich celebrity?

I hate to ask this...but let's apply the same logic to Rush. Ordinary drug addicts do get jail time. Does that mean Rush should go to jail?

Having said that I think Jackson should go to jail and ALL the parents that let their kids stay overnight with MJ should be in mental institutions.

Now for another related issue. Homosexuals claim to be born that way and that makes it ok. So I assume pedophiles are born that way also...because why on earth would anyone "choose" to be a pedophile. Using their same logic, should we embrace pedophiles as normal people in society who are born with this desire? Or should we shun homosexuals who live a deviant life style?

[concerned about politics]

I hate to ask this...but let's apply the same logic to Rush. Ordinary drug addicts do get jail time. Does that mean Rush should go to jail?

Only if they put all the Hollywood entertainers who've gone to rehab for illegal drug addiction in jail, too. They usually get community service when they get busted. I suppose Rush should get the same.
The left seems to forget their side is applauded for going to rehab. There's all kinds of cool photo ops afterwards.
If Rush goes, off with the Hollywood heads, too.

[onehipdad]

True hipness begins with the realization that everything you know is wrong. Much like converts making good Catholics, and immigrants becoming very good Americans, young truth-seeking idealists can and do become some of the best Republicans, upon reaching maturity...

[onehipdad]

he's still a legendary singer with fantastic work that rivals the likes of the Beatles and Elvis Presley, if not surpasses.

Oh please - get real!

[doug from upland]

They can convert to our side anytime. It just takes the truth. The indoctrination in the school years is outrageous. Much damage has to be undone.

[expatguy]

roflmao - anyone remember that song...

MR. RUBBA MAN