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Pipeline off, water safe, illegals near: In Huachucas, Tombstone feels immigration impact
The Sierra Vista Herald/Bisbee Daily Review ^ | November 23, 2003 | Bill Hess

Posted on 11/23/2003 7:13:55 AM PST by HiJinx

HUACHUCA MOUNTAINS -- Regardless of what some may think, Tombstone's water supply from canyons more than 30 miles from this historic community is safe.

The city's director of public works said concerns that water coming from an above ground Carr Canyon spring is being contaminated by illegal immigrants and endangering Tombstone's water supply are wrong.

"We have not used the Carr Canyon pipeline for months and will not until the problem with the illegals is taken care of," Robert Reames said Friday near the catch basin that flows into a pipe.

Carr Canyon spring water is not being used by the city, Reames said. The pipe from Carr Canyon was turned off early last summer.

Besides health concerns, the flow of water from the Carr Canyon spring is less than 7 gallons per minute and does not add that much to the city's needs, Reames said.

What water is coming out of the Huachuca Mountains is coming from an underground spring in Miller Canyon that flows at 100 gpm and is an important source for Tombstone's needs, he said. The city also has three wells in the community that in total pumps about 700 gpm.

As for the Miller Canyon spring water, the area where it flows into a pipe is covered and the immediate area is enclosed in what Reames described as a "dog run" -- a 6-foot high chain-link fence that includes a chain-link top.

The two sites are part of five areas Tombstone has in the Huachuca Mountains to provide water to the city. The three other areas are not in use and haven't been for a long time. Each site has five acres of land.

The pipeline from the Huachuca Mountains was started in 1881. Construction of the more than 30-mile-long line to Tombstone was completed in 1882. The pipeline was originally constructed by a group of private investors and was called the Huachuca Water Co., Reames said.

Capt. Samuel Marmaduke Whitside, who established what was originally called Camp Huachuca, now Fort Huachuca, was one of the original investors.

In 1949, the sole living owner of the company sold the pipeline to Tombstone, keeping only 10 shares of the 10,000 she had, Reames said.

Drought conditions have sometimes caused the pipeline from Carr Canyon to be closed.

Continuing drought conditions and an increase in illegal immigrant traffic in the remote area of Carr Canyon where the pipeline begins have led to stopping the flow from the above-ground spring to Tombstone.

"It was a couple of months ago that we noticed more signs of illegals in Carr Canyon," Reames said. "It used to be the only thing we worried about was the resident bear."

Just to get to the catchment basin for the Carr Canyon Spring requires driving over a road strewn with rocks and covered with fallen branches. It is a slow trip through some of the most magnificent scenes in the canyon.

The autumn colors brighten the normal daytime darkness caused by trees blocking out the sunlight.

After getting out of Reames' truck, it takes about a quarter of a mile hike up an ever-increasing steep path to reach the basin.

Not far from where the water enters the pipeline, a sign states: "No trespassing. Property of City of Tombstone. Violators will be prosecuted under A.R.S. 13-502A-1."

"Maybe we need to put a sign up in Spanish," Reames said.

On Friday, the collection of debris from illegal immigrants wasn't much. Reames used what had apparently been a large black plastic trash bag used by an illegal immigrant as a raincoat to put some garbage from the Carr Canyon spring site to clean up the area. The bag had a whole for a person's head and two for arms, which Reames tied off. He collected some water bottles, a toothbrush, empty food cartons and tins, a glove and some dirty clothing.

"This is the cleanest I've seen it (the basin site) recently," he said.

At times, there have been more than five trash bags full of garbage removed every time a person from the Tombstone public works department comes to the area.

Looking at the tall trees, the high cliffs and the signs of wild animal activities, Reames said it upsets him that the illegal immigrants are ruining such a beautiful part of Mother Nature.

"The (Carr Canyon) spring will be shut off until the illegal traffic stops," he said.

There have been increased sightings of illegal immigrants in Carr Canyon recently, Reames said. U.S. Border Patrol agents told him that not all those being apprehended are from Mexico.

"I've been told Chinese, Russians and Iranians have been found," Reames said.

As he drove out of Carr Canyon followed by Tombstone Water Department employee Harry Cray, a group of people was seen lying off to the side of the road. Reames stopped his truck and called the U.S. Border Patrol to report the sighting.

Some of the group fled almost immediately, but at least a half dozen tried to hide. They, too, finally ran, joining about a dozen others heading up the hill.

The consensus was that they were waiting for a ride to take them north.

Although Carr Canyon seems to be an active place for illegal immigrants, the part of Miller Canyon where Tombstone has a water sources does not seem to be affected.

Cray, a Tombstone Water Department employee, said he works about 16 hours a week checking out the two canyons and the pipeline. He usually makes the trip from Tombstone to the Huachuca Mountains, as well as to where the two pipelines connect in the Hereford area before heading for Tombstone, twice a week. When he inspects the areas, he also checks the trails going to the sites and picks up whatever trash he finds.

At the Carr Canyon site, his dog once came upon about a dozen illegal immigrants and he told them to leave. Cray said he watched as they went down in single file and then saw them scatter into the woods.

Because of the concerns of illegal immigrants causing problems at the Carr Canyon spring area, Cray said action was taken to protect the more important Miller Canyon underground spring site. The site has a large metal plate over the main part where the spring enters the pipeline. The special enclosure was added a couple of weeks ago.

The sound of the rushing water became more evident when he lifted the metal plate to show the fast moving stream as it entered the pipeline.

The water from the Miller Canyon site goes through a primary and secondary filtering process once it reaches Tombstone. When the Carr Canyon site was being used, that water eventually merged with the Miller Canyon flow so both went through the filtering process.

"We're not going to do anything to harm Tombstone people," Cray said.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; huachuca; immigrantlist; immigration; water
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham




21 posted on 11/23/2003 9:42:39 AM PST by Happy2BMe (2004 - Who WILL the TERRORISTS vote for? - - Not George W. Bush, THAT'S for sure!)
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To: Mad_Tom_Rackham
Aye mahn - whatchu doin weeth my uncle's driver's license mahn? - We beeen loooking all over the place for it mahn!
22 posted on 11/23/2003 9:47:23 AM PST by Happy2BMe (2004 - Who WILL the TERRORISTS vote for? - - Not George W. Bush, THAT'S for sure!)
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To: mylife
I say allow private citizens to patrol those canyons...armed!

We do...ostensibly for bears and cougars, but we all know the predators come in both 2- and 4-legged varieties.

The invaders come from turd world realities and have no concept of what we consider right and wrong behavior in a beautiful wilderness. Their only goal is to get into a population center where they can keep a low profile, make a bunch of money, and attempt to move their families north later on.

In the meantime, us citizens suffer mightily.

Anyone who tries to tell you illegal immigrants are benign or good for the economy is an unthinking idiot or worse.

23 posted on 11/23/2003 9:50:54 AM PST by HiJinx (Go with Courage, go with Honor, go in God's Grace. Come home when the job's done. We'll be here.)
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To: bandleader
I wish I could thank your Uncle Mickey for his service and sacrifice...would you please pass my thanks to his family?

He sounds like the kind of NCO we should all have tried to be. I'm pleased he passed on some of his history to you. We should all know and appreciate those who went before us, to whom we owe so much.

24 posted on 11/23/2003 9:53:36 AM PST by HiJinx (Go with Courage, go with Honor, go in God's Grace. Come home when the job's done. We'll be here.)
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To: HiJinx
"We do...ostensibly for bears and cougars, but we all know the predators come in both 2- and 4-legged varieties."

Ya thats the way it was when I was living there, But I thought that I had read the BP and the rangers at montezuma pass were trying to stop legal citizens from legally carrying on the mountains in reaction to the local citizens border groups. (they dont want us to have any power, it threatens them dont ya know)

25 posted on 11/23/2003 9:55:30 AM PST by mylife
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To: MARTIAL MONK; headsonpikes
There's a related thread this morning discussing the Renzi Rider. Even though Ft. Huachuca is required to share some responsibility for water use in the San Pedro Valley, note where (some of) Tombstone's water comes from?

I don't necessarily think Tombstone should lose this source of water, but that particular pipeline needs renovation and the source needs to be protected. Maybe heads-on-pikes is an idea whose time has come...?
26 posted on 11/23/2003 9:59:41 AM PST by HiJinx (Go with Courage, go with Honor, go in God's Grace. Come home when the job's done. We'll be here.)
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To: HiJinx
"We do...ostensibly for bears and cougars, but we all know the predators come in both 2- and 4-legged varieties."

Bye the way.. one late afternoon I was in Carr canyon hiking the falls when I started following some couger tracks....as evening approached and I headed back it became apparent that the cougar had circled back and was following me! LOL!

27 posted on 11/23/2003 10:00:51 AM PST by mylife
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To: mylife
Oh my gosh! A young family had a similar experience last year, except the Dad actually saw the cat keeping pace with him for about 30 yards.

The restraint you're talking about is in the Montezuma Pass National Memorial. No weapons allowed, it's been that way for the last 15 years I've been here. They busted a couple of the ABP members who tried to enter the Park armed.

But, that's a small portion of the mountain range, and the rest is National Forest...wide open, especially if you're carrying a hunting license and lion tag!

(Off to lunch, back later)
28 posted on 11/23/2003 10:05:46 AM PST by HiJinx (Go with Courage, go with Honor, go in God's Grace. Come home when the job's done. We'll be here.)
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To: mylife
We had one that followed along seeming to enjoy pacing our dirtbikes. Never threatened but scared heck out of the first one to see him/her.
29 posted on 11/23/2003 10:28:31 AM PST by norton
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To: HiJinx
The restraint you're talking about is in the Montezuma Pass National Memorial. No weapons allowed, it's been that way for the last 15 years I've been here.

Hmmm I didnt realize it was a no no when I lived there...My Bad! Guess Im a Criminale now! LOL!

30 posted on 11/23/2003 10:30:16 AM PST by mylife
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To: HiJinx
A young family had a similar experience last year,

Whenever I took my son with me I had a rule that you never never let kids lead the trail or bring up the end of the group!

I didnt mean to turn this into a cougar thread...my apologies.

31 posted on 11/23/2003 10:35:57 AM PST by mylife
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To: norton
We had one that followed along seeming to enjoy pacing our dirtbikes.

Quick and quiet aint they?

32 posted on 11/23/2003 10:39:05 AM PST by mylife
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To: HiJinx
We have not used the Carr Canyon pipeline for months and will not until the problem with the illegals is taken care of,"

LOL, is this guy naive or what? Mister, don't hold your breath waiting for the illegal alien problem to be resolved.

33 posted on 11/23/2003 1:39:01 PM PST by dougherty (USA = FLOPHOUSE TO THE WORLD)
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To: mylife; norton
I didnt mean to turn this into a cougar thread...my apologies.

No problem! I'm enjoying the stories.

34 posted on 11/23/2003 1:43:34 PM PST by HiJinx (Go with Courage, go with Honor, go in God's Grace. Come home when the job's done. We'll be here.)
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To: texastoo
What is the excuse for not securing our borders and upholding our immigration laws to protect the American people?

Not enough money. Not enough political will. Not enough support from the citizens. The list is endless.

35 posted on 11/23/2003 5:26:28 PM PST by been_lurking
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To: seamole
I agree completely. Close the borders. I just asked how you thought you could accomplish that?

It's easy to spout proclamations, it's a tad more difficult to make them happen.

36 posted on 11/23/2003 5:29:11 PM PST by been_lurking
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To: HiJinx
The cost of renovation or replacement would be prohibitive for the amount of water delivered. Tombstone could not afford it even if it was the only water available. If they did completely replace it, it would still be illegal as a springfed source. There are illegal jumper taps all along it dating back decades.

The only thing to do is grandfather it till it falls apart and keep VERY quiet about it. People have been drinking the water as it is for a century and a quarter with no ill effects. The new generation does not have the built-up immunities. Someday someone will sue and it will be gone.

That spring has been in use since people hunted mammoth in the valley below. A sign isn't going to change anything.

37 posted on 11/23/2003 5:31:46 PM PST by MARTIAL MONK
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To: seamole
Are you going to pay for these 100,000 guardsmen? Are you going to recruit these 100,000 guardsmen? Will you be joining up yourself?

The old Soviet Union had the most extensive system of border control the world has ever seen. It didn't stop their citizens from escaping. No matter how many guardsmen you line up on our borders, it won't stop those who are willing to risk everything.

38 posted on 11/23/2003 5:33:03 PM PST by been_lurking
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To: been_lurking
How do you propose to do that? With one big long fence? It's quite a logistical problem to close the entire southern and northern borders, not to mention the air and sea access. If you bother to "think" about it, you'd see just how difficult it would be.

Well a big fence would be a start, the next thing would be to vigerously prosecute any business which hires an illegal, then deport them back to their native country post haste. All this can be done without passing new laws, it's just a matter of getting serious about enforcing the laws you already have. Once this happens, word will spread quickly within the third world that the US will no longer put up with unrestricted invasion, then you'll see the problem correct itself.

39 posted on 11/23/2003 5:46:23 PM PST by YankeeReb
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