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Revealed: what the tearful President told the grieving relatives of Britain's war dead
Independent ^ | 11/23/03 | Severin Carrell

Posted on 11/22/2003 8:57:29 PM PST by Pikamax

Revealed: what the tearful President told the grieving relatives of Britain's war dead By Severin Carrell 23 November 2003

It was an unscripted moment in a morning of minutely choreographed state ceremony. It was the moment the three-year-old son of a British soldier killed in Iraq looked President George Bush in the face and said: "My daddy is up in heaven."

Mr Bush's face crumpled, and he stuttered the reply: "Oh, I'm so sorry."

Beck Seymour had, in one short sentence, disarmed the world's most powerful leader and caught the emotions of a room full of war widows and grieving families.

Beck was with his mother, Lianne Seymour, the widow of Commando Ian Seymour, a young soldier killed in a US special forces helicopter crash on the opening day of the Iraq war. And, alone among the 17 other parents, widows and soldiers alongside her, she challenged the President on his policies in Iraq and failure to find Saddam Hussein's alleged stockpile of chemical and biological weapons.

"He came and spoke to me, and he just said: 'I'm so sorry for your loss', and I didn't say anything," she said. "I just looked him straight in the face. He said 'it must be terrible for you', and I just said 'you have no idea how hard it is'."

The Seymours, from Poole, Dorset, were part of a carefully selected group of 19 people - the relatives of Britain's war dead and serving soldiers - chosen to meet Mr and Mrs Bush last Thursday morning during an official visit to honour Britain's war dead at Westminster Abbey.

Mr Bush and his wife, Laura, had arrived at the abbey for a short, sombre service to lay a wreath on the Tomb of the Unknown Warrior, sign the visitors' book and receive a talk on the history of the building.

The abbey ceremony is a routine part of every state visit. But on Thursday, Mr Bush departed from protocol by arranging a private and emotion-charged meeting with the relatives of British marines, airmen, sailors and soldiers killed in Britain's most recent war - Iraq. It was an event where the President used his home-spun personal style to great effect. He won over each family - even Mrs Seymour.

The families gathered in the 14th-century wood-panelled Jerusalem Chamber of Westminster Abbey. The Bushes swept in with a small entourage, including White House officials, a senior family welfare officer from the Ministry of Defence and the President's photographer.

Mr Bush greeted each family in turn, took their hands, grasped their shoulders, and immediately passed on his condolences. Tony Maddison, the step-father of Marine Chris Maddison, killed in a "friendly-fire" incident near Basra, had travelled with his wife Julie from Scarborough with plans to ask the President how he planned to solve the dire situation in Iraq.

Mr Maddison, however, was tongue-tied and over-awed by their three-minute chat with the President. "I would say he's the most genuine guy I have ever met," he said. "He's much lampooned - people take the mickey. What a genuine guy. I have a totally different opinion ... there was a tear in his eye.

"He took the initiative away, he came across so genuine. He wasn't there for arguments or opinions. He was there to give his condolences to us. We were introduced by the welfare officer and then he spoke to us and told us that we will prevail and we wouldn't be beaten by just thugs and terrorists, and he passed on his heartfelt condolences."

Mrs Seymour had steeled herself for the meeting and took several breaths before she began talking. She told the President: "I have a three-year-old little boy who I have to bring up completely on my own now and the papers and the press are constantly reporting that there are no weapons of mass destruction. You and Mr Blair are constantly trying to reaffirm the fact that this isn't all in vain. I have to see that every day, on top of grieving for my husband." At this point, she said, "Beck chirped up and told him his 'daddy was in heaven', and Mr Bush's face just like fell, and he said, 'Oh, I'm so sorry'.

"I just said at the end of the day, my husband went away and his last words to his little boy were 'I'm going to make this a better world for other little boys and girls'. I said [to Mr Bush] 'that's your duty now, you've got to make sure that happens'. And he's like 'I promise to do my best.' That was that really, he just went to talk to the others, and then came back for photos, which was very awkward."

The meeting was, she said, "very strange" and "bizarre". But the tense and sombre atmosphere was lightened by her son. "Beck was very much the ice-breaker. He lifted the spirit in the room. He was running around and looking out for helicopters and snipers up on the roof. He gave everyone something else to focus on. I don't think the President was expecting to see any children there. It's the true reality of the situation isn't it?"

The meeting was ultimately unsatisfactory, she said, since even the US President could not bring her husband back. Yet even she was disarmed by him. "It's really hard, I don't like to say this, but I actually think he was quite genuine. He seemed genuinely quite upset and quite emotional. His wife didn't say anything to me. I don't think I heard her speak once, and to be honest, she looked the disengaged one.

"I only ever judge people when I meet them. And although I don't like his politics or what he's done, as the person I saw stood opposite me, I actually think I would get on well with him if I met him at a dinner party. I think he would be easy to get on with, he's very personable. But that's different from his politics."


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bush43; militaryfamilies; ukvisit
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1 posted on 11/22/2003 8:57:30 PM PST by Pikamax
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To: Pikamax
That was really interesting reading, thanks for posting it.

God Bless the families of the fallen and those who value freedom.

2 posted on 11/22/2003 9:03:25 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: Pikamax
The thing most people in this world don't understand is that President Bush IS a genuinely caring man. Taking our nation to war is the hardest thing a man like that can do, but he did it because he believes it will make the world better and will keep us all safe. I believe it too.
3 posted on 11/22/2003 9:05:22 PM PST by McGavin999
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To: Pikamax
Outstanding, Thats my President
4 posted on 11/22/2003 9:06:49 PM PST by cmsgop (Why don't you settle down and go buy a Juice Newton Album...)
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To: Pikamax
What a genuine guy. I have a totally different opinion ... there was a tear in his eye.

G-d bless President George W. Bush and those who serve with him!

5 posted on 11/22/2003 9:15:14 PM PST by af_vet_1981
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To: cmsgop
President Bush does not shirk from hard duty. He could have taken a pass on seeing the grieving widows, mothers and fathers, but he met them and offered condolences. He has that basic decency that we want every one of our Presidents to have. God bless him.
6 posted on 11/22/2003 9:15:19 PM PST by RicocheT
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To: Pikamax
One can only imagine what Clinton would do in the same situation... rape the mother maybe.
7 posted on 11/22/2003 9:15:33 PM PST by thoughtomator ("A republic, if you can keep it.")
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To: Pikamax
"Mr Maddison, however, was tongue-tied and over-awed by their three-minute chat with the President. "I would say he's the most genuine guy I have ever met," he said. "He's much lampooned - people take the mickey. What a genuine guy. I have a totally different opinion ... there was a tear in his eye."

This is something the NYTimes and the Left will NEVER understand.

8 posted on 11/22/2003 9:19:19 PM PST by txzman (Jer 23:29)
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To: Pikamax
I have had to give bad news to the survivors of fallen servicemen. What you hear about the grieving process is 100% true. First:

- shock, then..

- denial

- incredible anguish, and then

- Anger

- followed by healing

May God bless the British people who have stood so courageously with us.

9 posted on 11/22/2003 9:19:30 PM PST by SkyPilot
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To: thoughtomator
He would form a focus group and check the polls, then do whatever he thought would cause his elusive good legacy to benefit.
10 posted on 11/22/2003 9:19:32 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: thoughtomator
It was the moment the three-year-old son of a British soldier killed in Iraq looked President Bill Clinton in the face and said: "My daddy is up in heaven." Mr. Clinton turned to the boy's mother and said "So, you're single?"
11 posted on 11/22/2003 9:20:15 PM PST by Jeff Chandler (I'm a racist, you're a racist, we're all racists, hey!)
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To: Pikamax
An interesting glimpse of the real George W. Bush.

The Left and much of the Democratic base believes that the war was all about making Bush's friends richer...and the next year will be spent trying to con the public into buying that line.

12 posted on 11/22/2003 9:20:50 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Pikamax
I don't begrudge this poor woman her grief, her anger, her pain. I can't imagine how difficult it would be for a wife and mother to lose her husband.

At the same time, I know--I KNOW--that had there had been any way for Bush and Blair and the rest of the coalition leaders to depose a bloodthirsty killer and thug like Saddam without putting any of our brave soldiers at risk, they would have done so in a heartbeat. But that's just not possible. That's not the reality of war.

Saddam needed to go. He is an evil man, and he thirsted for American blood. He had to be deposed, and the greatest democracies of the world were the only countries that could and would do the job. Our soldiers have a mission, and they are accomplishing it wonderfully. Tragically, too many have died due to accidents and rampant guerrilla attacks. The world WILL be safer, because tyrants and lunatics will now think twice, knowing that there IS a force for good in the world that will take action when talking has failed.

God bless George Bush, Tony Blair, and the brave fighting men and women who are protecting our lives and liberty.
13 posted on 11/22/2003 9:21:32 PM PST by Choose Ye This Day (Feet firmly planted in flyover country. And proud of it.)
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To: thoughtomator
One can only imagine what Clinton would do in the same situation

He would wait to make sure the camera was on him then he would bite his lip and shed a fake tear.

14 posted on 11/22/2003 9:21:38 PM PST by Holly_P
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To: No Blue States
And clinton would probably rape or grope someone, then lie about it even under oath if he thought he could get away with it.

Im so proud of my vote for Bush and cant wait to place another well earned vote for him.

15 posted on 11/22/2003 9:22:25 PM PST by No Blue States
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To: Pikamax; ntnychik
he's very personable

The Queen though so too, by looking at the pictures!

16 posted on 11/22/2003 9:22:50 PM PST by potlatch (1 cross + 3 nails = 4 given)
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To: thoughtomator
Sometimes I disagree with his policies, but there is never a day I don't appreciate that he is the commander in chief, and not Gore. Bush makes me proud to be an American. He is a good man, this I truly believe.
17 posted on 11/22/2003 9:24:01 PM PST by Jack Black
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To: cmsgop
That is my President too.

The Liberals will never understand, because they know deep down that their leaders are liars. There is not one Liberal who could have done what Bush did in that meeting.

Bush will be loved as Reagan, because in the end. He is just a good man, even when no one is looking. Liberals hate him because they know deep down that they can never measure up to the man.

18 posted on 11/22/2003 9:24:58 PM PST by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: thoughtomator
He'd say, "Well, don't blame me you little bastard. I didn't kill him."

Actually, I think he did say something like that to the father of one of the guys killed in Somalia . . . Not exactly that, of course . . . But, iirc, the father refused to shake Clinton's hand and Clinton muttered something like, "I don't know why he's mad at me. I didn't kill his son."

Anyone else remember this, or am I going nuts?

19 posted on 11/22/2003 9:25:40 PM PST by LibWhacker
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To: RicocheT
That had to take guts to do that, knowing he wouldnt get a warm reception.

Our president represents America with courage, grace, and dignity.

20 posted on 11/22/2003 9:28:00 PM PST by No Blue States
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