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Church cuts ties with US over gay bishop
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| November 22 2003
Posted on 11/22/2003 1:16:56 PM PST by Clive
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posted on
11/22/2003 1:16:56 PM PST
by
Clive
To: *AfricaWatch; blam; Cincinatus' Wife; sarcasm; Travis McGee; happygrl; Byron_the_Aussie; robnoel; ..
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posted on
11/22/2003 1:17:24 PM PST
by
Clive
To: Darlin'
Episcopal PING
How low we've sunk.
So9
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posted on
11/22/2003 1:19:04 PM PST
by
Servant of the 9
(Real Texicans; we're grizzled, we're grumpy and we're armed)
To: ahadams2
ping
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posted on
11/22/2003 1:21:03 PM PST
by
Eala
(Traditional Anglican resources: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican)
To: Servant of the 9
So when are others going to do the same?
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posted on
11/22/2003 1:21:09 PM PST
by
Khepera
(Do not remove by penalty of law!)
To: Clive
One would think that this is splitting the body of Christ -- until one considers that various denominations split long ago from the Bride of Christ.
Time for Christians to reunite..
And time for those who don't believe to leave or pray for an open heart.
One more gem in the crown of Protestantism..
To: Khepera
So when are others going to do the same? If we get enough homosexual Bishops, we can probably merge with the Roman Catholics.
So9
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posted on
11/22/2003 1:24:20 PM PST
by
Servant of the 9
(Real Texicans; we're grizzled, we're grumpy and we're armed)
To: Servant of the 9
"If we get enough homosexual Bishops, we can probably merge with the Roman Catholics."
LOL, good one. And I'm a Catholic (for now).
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posted on
11/22/2003 1:26:59 PM PST
by
jocon307
(Ack! and Double Ack!!)
To: Clive
". . . an openly gay bishop was consecrated earlier this month."
They may call it that as much as they choose. However, in the truest sense of the word, there is no such thing as "consecrating" an unrepentant openly gay person. It can't be done.
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posted on
11/22/2003 1:28:00 PM PST
by
Veritas_est
(Truth is (it is lawful))
To: Clive
I hope many more will follow suit. I have not been able to bring myself to go to church since the convention....well, except for the one time I went with my neighbor to her church, a pentecostal church.
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posted on
11/22/2003 1:28:24 PM PST
by
sweetliberty
("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
To: Servant of the 9
YOU are Episcopalian? Who knew?
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posted on
11/22/2003 1:29:14 PM PST
by
sweetliberty
("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
To: Servant of the 9
>>If we get enough homosexual Bishops, we can probably merge with the Roman Catholics.
Cheap shot. Most bishops aren't gay.
Those who are and practice, are standing outside of the faith. Remember, even Jesus chose a Devil (Judas).
Many Bishops have left the fold, officially or unofficially.
Also, there are many bishops outside of the so called first world countries which are rock solid.
Finally, you may not be able to "merge" with the Bride of Christ since the odds are your priests have NO apostolic lineage (some do, since they get ordained by schismatic German Catholic Bishops in order to Hedge their bet).
To: Clive
There was a time that the U.S. Episcopalian and other Christian churches and denominations were among the moral leaders of the world.
Now it's Uganda, for cryin' out loud.
Ug!
Leni
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posted on
11/22/2003 1:29:38 PM PST
by
MinuteGal
(Everyone...start saving your pesos for the next cruise. Great mutual Christmas gift for the family!)
To: Eala; ahadams2; Grampa Dave; AnAmericanMother; sweetliberty; N. Theknow; Ray'sBeth; ...
More on Uganda breaking Communion Ping.
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posted on
11/22/2003 1:29:49 PM PST
by
ahadams2
(Anglican Freeper Resource Page: http://eala.freeservers.com/anglican/)
To: sweetliberty
Come on down to a local Roman Catholic church. We need to help stop the tide of liberals!
To: 1stFreedom; Servant of the 9
"you may not be able to "merge" with the Bride of Christ since the odds are your priests have NO apostolic lineage" That is without a doubt one of the most arrogant statements of religious elitism I have ever seen on FR.
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posted on
11/22/2003 1:32:30 PM PST
by
sweetliberty
("Better to keep silent and be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.")
To: Clive
Give it up to Uganda on this one.
Good job, fellas.
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posted on
11/22/2003 1:33:58 PM PST
by
lodwick
(Wake up, America!)
To: Clive
Tracking down the Holy Ghost We are all in this together
Issue: Episcopal Life (December) 11/20/2003 |
Advent, the season which begins the church year, is a time of waiting and expectation. During these weeks we prepare ourselves in the time of this mortal life for Christs coming among us. As the collect for the first Sunday in Advent makes plain, Christ coming among us has different dimensions. There is the historical event of some two millennia ago in Bethlehem in which the Word became flesh in the person of Jesus. There is the promise of a future coming when all will be gathered up into Christ. As well, there is the daily inbreaking of Christ who comes to us in the events and circumstances of our lives. Though we delight in looking back at the past event with reverent joy, and we anticipate being gathered up in some rapturous future, it seems far more difficult for humankind to stay grounded in the present moment with its stresses and strains, and to discern the presence of Christ in the midst of it all. Yet, as hard as it is to hold on to sometimes, Christ is always coming among us: in virtue of the resurrection, Christs self revelation continues through the agency of the Holy Spirit to this very day. As Jesus told his disciples in the Gospel of John: I still have many things to say to you, but you cannot bear them now. When the Spirit of truth comes, he will guide you into all the truth
He will take what is mine and declare it to you. The risen Christ is always making known more about himself and expanding his ongoing work of drawing all things to himself. There is always more for us to learn both about who Christ is in our lives and what it means to have the Reign of God in our midst. As I stood at the door greeting parishioners following a recent Sunday liturgy, one of them shook my hand enthusiastically and declared with a broad smile: This is a great time to be an Episcopalian. Quite naturally, I agreed with him! I too believe this is a great time to be an Episcopalian, and certainly not because everything is easy and tranquil. As your chief pastor I am exceedingly mindful that recent events in the life of our church have left some among us deeply troubled and confused, and their concerns are very much on my heart. Having said that, I believe the very challenges of these present days are calling us to a new and deeper understanding of what it means to be the body of Christ. We are all in this together, and it is a great time to be an Episcopalian because we are all being stretched and something more is being made of us. Something is being drawn out of us, regardless of our points of view, or whether we are feeling joy or sorrow. Growing to maturity in Christ is not easy and obliges us to ask ourselves a number of questions. How ready are we to welcome Christs continuing self revelation? How ready are we to live with a kingdom consciousness knowing that this consciousness enfolds all things with an unyielding compassion, transcends our human judgments, and confounds our tidy and defensive notions of how God should and ought to act in the world? How ready are we to make room for the One who is always making all things new and drawing us out of our places of comfort and security? How available are we to the demands life places upon us and to the complex realities that confront us? These are very proper Advent questions for us as individuals, and for us as the Episcopal Church. Yes, indeed, this is a great time to be an Episcopalian. Something more is being made of us. What that something is remains to be seen, but it has to do with who we are together in Christ beyond our comprehension or imagining. As we are told in the first letter of John, What we will be has not yet been revealed. It is my confident sense that God in Christ is at work in us through the Spirit, and that through all we are living at this present time we are growing up into the fullness of who God desires us to be, not just as individuals but together as the risen body of his Son. The author Flannery OConnor once described the writers task as following lines of spiritual motion from the surface of life into that deep place where revelation occurs. This is simply an attempt to track down the Holy Ghost through a tangle of human suffering and aspiration and idiocy. It is an attempt that should be pursued with gusto. This challenging task does not belong only to the writer but to all of us who have been baptized into Christ. In this Advent season may we be faithful to our task of tracking, and may we do it with gusto. |
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posted on
11/22/2003 1:34:53 PM PST
by
VRWC_minion
(Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and most are right)
To: Clive
"We maintain that any same sex union is a disorder of God's creation,"And so it has been written. I know I read it somewhere, as I recall the book was very informative and fairly thick.
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posted on
11/22/2003 1:38:34 PM PST
by
EGPWS
To: Servant of the 9
If we get enough homosexual Bishops, we can probably merge with the Roman Catholics. If you have any proof of a Catholic bishop who lives openly with his homosexual lover or -- better yet -- one who is actually married, has a civil divorce, and lives openly with his homosexual lover, then I suggest you forward that proof to Rome immediately.
OTOH, if you have no such proof, you're bearing false witness, and that's a sin.
Maybe you should stop pointing the finger at other Christian communions. You guys have plenty of problems of your own, not the least of which is that many of your own co-religionists worldwide are in the process of disfellowshipping you.
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posted on
11/22/2003 1:39:22 PM PST
by
Campion
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