Witch Sues Christians Under Controversial Hate Laws

CNSNEWS.com ^ | 11/21/03 | Patrick Goodenough

[sauropod]

It's coming here.

Thanks a bunch, Orrin.

[TXnMA]

Dumb@$$es! Since when is expressing a difference of belief or opinion "vilification"?

This is the best example I've seen yet for why we should fight the very concept of "hate crime" with every bit of vigor we can muster...

[Verax]

First, there will be true apostolic churches, against which the gates of hell shall not prevail. They will be persecuted, hated, despised, yet they will continue century by century until Christ's return. The Lord Jesus promised His faithful ones: "Lo, I am with you always, EVEN TO THE END OF THE WORLD" (Matthew 28:20).

[CobaltBlue]

If the defendant did call the plaintiff "evil" that seems like libel and/or slander to me.

One of our oldest friends is a Wiccan. She's a little flakey but not evil.

[Gritty]

It seems Great Britain and her old English Commonwealth Colonies (Canada, Australia, New Zealand) are providing us great test-bed examples of some of these totalitarian laws, such as "hate-crimes" and "gun-control", which end up in draconian tyranny and oppression at the personal level. The advertised desired ends are nowhere in sight.

Once again, we need to thank the Mother Country for providing us with a needed dose of the reality of these laws before it is (hopefully) too late for us! Whether we take the lessons or not is yet too soon to tell.

[Old Sarge]

The obligatory pagan bashing by fundamentalist evangelical Christians shall commence in five... four... three... two... one.

[ASA Vet]

Ward said the anti-vilification law "can be used by anybody whose got an ax to grind

They are lucky there is no such thing as a real witch.
Real witches would just turn their vilifiers into toads.

[Jack Black]

Evil is a judgement call, and therefore I don't really think it can be slander. It's like calling someone stupid. One can not say if it is a lie or not because there exist no objective standards for measuring evil. Like pornography, you just know it when you see it I guess.

[TigersEye]

Any prayer made with the intent to create a specific outcome is a form of witchcraft. That, and nothing else, is the nature of witchcraft.

[webstersII]

"Any prayer made with the intent to create a specific outcome is a form of witchcraft. "

Wrong.

Any prayer, incantation, or magic potion made with an effort to control SOMEONE ELSE (not just a prayer with a specific outcome) is witchcraft. That's the basis of it.

A Christian prayer should not meet this definition, but sadly, there are many prayers I have heard which actually do.

[freekitty]

I think this witch has things turned around.

[TigersEye]

Any prayer, incantation, or magic potion made with an effort to control SOMEONE ELSE (not just a prayer with a specific outcome) is witchcraft. That's the basis of it.

Wrong.

Witchcraft is any effort to alter any phemomena for any reason through the power of intention. That is the basis of witchcraft. Your definition covers only one small aspect of a specific type of action. You are right that prayer is not the only method used to focus the mind on an intention but whatever method that is used is only a characteristic of application not the essence of the act.

[ohioman]

What happened to free speech Einstein? I can call you evil and not be prosecuted for it (as of now) in the U.S. This is so sad and scary to see our cousins in Australia blindly following progressive politics. This use to be called fascism.

[Marysecretary]

We don't like to think of people as evil, but, remember, satan came as angel of light. Nobody would believe in him if he didn't do things very subtlety, giving not the appearance of evil. There are spirits involed in wiccan and those spirits are evil. Most of the people involved are probably pretty unaware of what's going on behind the scenes spiritually.

[Marysecretary]

God considers rebellion as witchcraft. How much of that is in the world today.

[MarkL]

It's coming here.

Thanks a bunch, Orrin.

I wonder... I wonder if the "Seperation of Church and State" crowd would fight these sort of laws, saying that "Just as 'The Church' should have no influence over 'The State,' 'The State' should have no influence over 'The Church.'"

Nahhh... Those people don't really care about a seperation. They just don't want to be judged, but they would like control...

Mark

[Calpernia]

ping

[The_Pickle]

My thoughts exactly. When monotheists are called to task for actions that are egregious and hateful in nature they claim "religious persecution". Yet when some yahoo calls someone a "satan worshiper" and "evil" then they are just "disagreeing" with that other persons "beliefs" and exercising their right to "free speech".

Hate is hate and while I don't agree with many "hate speech" laws, as I feel that existing "libel" and "slander" laws cover most of these situations, let us not place our heads in the sand and claim hateful words and accusations as anything but hate speech, no matter the source.

[webstersII]

Then what you are saying is the Bible teaches witchcraft. I can't imagine that many people would agree with that definition.

Your definition is so broad that it covers all efforts in life and the result is that, according to your definition, there's no such thing as witchcraft. You said that, "Witchcraft is any effort to alter any phemomena for any reason through the power of intention." The power of intention applies to just about everything in life, from going to the bathroom to going to work every day to deciding to post a response on FR. All of these require the power of intention to get them done and they obviously have nothing to do with witchcraft.

Witches do much more than just focus their intentions. They try to use the supernatural to affect and effect things in the physical world, oftentimes trying to make a specific person complete their own desires. The power that they call on is what defines them as witches (yes, I do realize that they do not call on the power of Satan as most people believe), not just their intentions and the incantations and spells they use.