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Witch Sues Christians Under Controversial Hate Laws
CNSNEWS.com ^ | 11/21/03 | Patrick Goodenough

Posted on 11/21/2003 5:15:45 AM PST by kattracks

Pacific Rim Bureau (CNSNews.com) - Controversial new hate legislation already being applied against two Australian pastors accused of vilifying Islam, is now being used by a witch who objected to warnings made by elected officials about occult activity.

Christians in the state of Victoria, many of whom opposed the law when it was being drafted, say their fears are being realized: The state's Racial and Religious Tolerance Act is enabling members of one religious group who object to the beliefs of another, to take legal action against them.

Defending accusations of vilification in a special tribunal, which holds hearings under the law, can be costly.

The case involving alleged slurs against Islam, which has run for more than a month and still is not finalized, already has cost the defendants well over $70,000 in legal and other expenses, a source close to the case confirmed Friday.

If the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal (VCAT), which operates like a court, upholds a vilification complaint, it can order the payment of compensation of up to $3,900 for individuals and $19,800 for organizations.

Now a local Christian councilor in a small city on the edge of Melbourne is preparing to defend himself in the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal against complaints brought by a witch.

The episode began early this year in Casey, a city of 210,000, when Olivia Watts, a transsexual naturopath, stood as a candidate in city council elections. She was not elected.

Three months later, Watts publicly identified herself as a witch, in an article in a local newspaper.

Soon thereafter, city councilor Rob Wilson issued a statement in which he named Watts, raising concerns that local Wiccans may have been involved in a plan to plant someone on the council who was sympathetic to their cause.

Wilson attributed recent scandals in the council to the influence of such elements, saying the incidents had "all the hallmarks of being linked to the occult."

He urged a local grouping of church leaders to hold a special day of prayer against "the forces of evil."

Casey's mayor, Brian Oates - also a Christian - then backed up Wilson, suggesting that people with links to witchcraft may have wanted to get an agent elected to the council, in order to push through building permit for facilities for such groups.

Wilson and Oates pointed to an earlier, failed attempt by a "Satanic cult" to get permission to build a "place of worship" in an adjoining area.

After the local media reported on Wilson's statement, Watts launched legal action against him, the mayor, and the Casey council. She has since removed the mayor and council from the complaint, focusing on Wilson alone.

In a separate action, a national organization called the Pagan Awareness Network (PAN) brought a complaint against Wilson and Oates.

Wilson declined to be interviewed on the grounds that the legal process was now underway in the VCAT.

However, Watts agreed Friday to speak briefly to CNSNews.com , but not about the merits of the case now before the tribunal.

She said after Wilson made his statement last June, vandals left graffiti and threw stones at the windows of her home. A man had arrived at her door and "decided he was going to drive demons out of me ... it was terrifying."

Asked what she wanted to achieve, Watts said she sought "an apology and an acknowledgment that I have the legal, moral, ethical, social right to follow an ancient and beautiful faith without being accused of evil."

She confirmed she was getting "limited" financial assistance from a state legal aid fund to pursue her case.

Watts said she had decided for "a very good reason" to drop the mayor and council from the complaint and concentrate on Wilson, but wouldn't elaborate.

PAN president David Garland said in a phone interview that after his group became aware of the situation in Casey, he had written to the Victoria state government to complain.

Victoria Attorney-General Rob Hulls responded, suggesting the complainants take their case up with authorities under the new vilification laws.

Hulls had also assured the pagan network that "we govern for all Victorians - and that includes witches, magicians and sorcerers."

Garland said the network did not want to get money out the Casey councilors, but merely wanted an apology.

"We see using the [state legal apparatus] as wielding a stick. We'll bash them with the stick until they listen. I don't care what their personal opinions are, I don't care if they don't change their minds, but I want them to think before they open their mouths ... especially as paid public officials."

Christians worried


Robert Ward, a pastor in Casey who also serves as a chaplain to the city council, told CNSNews.com the Racial and Religious Tolerance Act was turning out to be "an absolute farce."

"I've no problem with a law that guarantees mutual respect and prevents people from being vilified or persecuted," he said. "But I think our common law, our slander law, already does that."

Ward said the anti-vilification law "can be used by anybody whose got an ax to grind, anybody who wants to make a name for themselves and is prepared to go through the motions."

"People are starting to think: 'What can I say?' As a Christian, we would say that Jesus is the only way to the Father. If somebody feels vilified by that because they feel differently, am I going to get dragged into court?"

Religious discussion is meant to be exempt from the anti-vilification law, but "doesn't seem to be in practice."

Ward said he doubted Watts' complaint would succeed, but pointed out that while it costs complainant very little to bring a case, it was costly for defendants. Because Wilson made his statement on behalf of himself as an individual councilor, the city is not covering his costs.

A spokeswoman for the state commission that oversees the anti-vilification laws, Slavka Scott, said the aim of the process was to achieve conciliation between the parties before a case reached the Victorian Civil and Administrative Tribunal.

If the commission decides that the complaint has substance, it attempts to mediate between the parties, looking for a mutually acceptable conclusion, she said.

If that fails, the case goes to the tribunal. Alternatively, if the commission feels the complaint is groundless but the complaining party disagrees, it can in any case take the defendant to the tribunal.

Asked about costs, Scott said there was no requirement for legal representation before a case reached the tribunal stage.

Nonetheless, the city of Casey has run up costs. By the time Watts dropped her complaint against the council, it had already cost ratepayers almost $11,000 in legal fees, council CEO Mike Tyler told CNSNews.com .

"An allegation of religious vilification is pretty serious and we had to defend the council's reputation if it was going to be dragged into this."

Now that Watts had dropped the council from her complaint, Tyler said it was applying to VCAT to recover costs that it had already incurred.

Witchcraft vs. Satanism

Ironically, Victoria is the only one of Australia's six states and two territories where witchcraft is still illegal and punishable by a fine.

Hulls, the state's attorney-general, announced earlier this year that the law outlawing "witchcraft, sorcery, enchantment or fortune telling" would be scrapped soon.

"Offences for witchcraft and fortune telling are virtually never used in practice and are out of place in a culturally diverse and tolerant society," he said in a statement.

According to national census statistics in 1996, 0.02 percent of Australians describe themselves as "Pagans," 0.01 percent put down "Wicca," another 0.01 percent indicated "Nature religions," and a further 0.01 percent "Satanism."

One of the key complaints being made by the witchcraft practitioners is that Wilson associated them with Satanists.

In pamphlets distributed in Casey, PAN says "witches don't support the devil or even believe in the devil."

It also says that spells cast by witches are "a means of achieving a desired effect," not unlike prayer or meditation. They are not used to do harm, it claims.

Ward, the Casey pastor, said that for Christians, witchcraft was a very serious, "dark versus light kind of issue."

"Some of the distinctions between witchcraft and Satanism aren't as distinct as they would have us believe, from a Christian perspective."

He said witchcraft and "the whole New Age mix" was becoming increasingly acceptable nowadays.

"Whereas once upon a time people would have reacted fairly strongly to the suggestion that their next-door neighbor was a witch, now it's almost smiled at."

"I don't hate witches," Ward added. "I disagree with their practices and beliefs, but the people, we love."

See earlier stories:
Australian Embassy Deals With Concerns About Religious Vilification Case (Oct. 29, 2003)
Australian Muslims Take Pastors to Court over 'Vilification' (Sept. 16, 2003)


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1 posted on 11/21/2003 5:15:46 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks; hellinahandcart; Bobby777; DittoJed2; Thinkin' Gal; Mr. Silverback
It's coming here.

Thanks a bunch, Orrin.

2 posted on 11/21/2003 5:21:39 AM PST by sauropod ("Better to keep your mouth closed and be thought a fool than to open it and remove all doubt")
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To: kattracks
Dumb@$$es! Since when is expressing a difference of belief or opinion "vilification"?

This is the best example I've seen yet for why we should fight the very concept of "hate crime" with every bit of vigor we can muster...

3 posted on 11/21/2003 5:26:53 AM PST by TXnMA (No Longer!!! -- and glad to be back home in God's Gountry!!)
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To: kattracks
First, there will be true apostolic churches, against which the gates of hell shall not prevail. They will be persecuted, hated, despised, yet they will continue century by century until Christ's return. The Lord Jesus promised His faithful ones: "Lo, I am with you always, EVEN TO THE END OF THE WORLD" (Matthew 28:20).
4 posted on 11/21/2003 5:59:26 AM PST by Verax
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To: kattracks
If the defendant did call the plaintiff "evil" that seems like libel and/or slander to me.

One of our oldest friends is a Wiccan. She's a little flakey but not evil.
5 posted on 11/21/2003 6:25:03 AM PST by CobaltBlue
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To: kattracks
It seems Great Britain and her old English Commonwealth Colonies (Canada, Australia, New Zealand) are providing us great test-bed examples of some of these totalitarian laws, such as "hate-crimes" and "gun-control", which end up in draconian tyranny and oppression at the personal level. The advertised desired ends are nowhere in sight.

Once again, we need to thank the Mother Country for providing us with a needed dose of the reality of these laws before it is (hopefully) too late for us! Whether we take the lessons or not is yet too soon to tell.

6 posted on 11/21/2003 6:35:21 AM PST by Gritty ("Religion Of Peace", my @$$!)
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To: kattracks; Verax
The obligatory pagan bashing by fundamentalist evangelical Christians shall commence in five... four... three... two... one.
7 posted on 11/21/2003 6:46:44 AM PST by Old Sarge (Serving YOU...on Operation Noble Eagle!)
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To: kattracks
Ward said the anti-vilification law "can be used by anybody whose got an ax to grind

They are lucky there is no such thing as a real witch.
Real witches would just turn their vilifiers into toads.

8 posted on 11/21/2003 6:52:19 AM PST by ASA Vet ("Right-wing Internet wacko")
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To: CobaltBlue
Evil is a judgement call, and therefore I don't really think it can be slander. It's like calling someone stupid. One can not say if it is a lie or not because there exist no objective standards for measuring evil. Like pornography, you just know it when you see it I guess.
9 posted on 11/21/2003 7:13:43 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: kattracks
Any prayer made with the intent to create a specific outcome is a form of witchcraft. That, and nothing else, is the nature of witchcraft.
10 posted on 11/21/2003 7:27:49 AM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. - Impeach activist judges!)
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To: TigersEye
"Any prayer made with the intent to create a specific outcome is a form of witchcraft. "

Wrong.

Any prayer, incantation, or magic potion made with an effort to control SOMEONE ELSE (not just a prayer with a specific outcome) is witchcraft. That's the basis of it.

A Christian prayer should not meet this definition, but sadly, there are many prayers I have heard which actually do.
11 posted on 11/21/2003 8:12:42 AM PST by webstersII
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To: kattracks
I think this witch has things turned around.
12 posted on 11/21/2003 8:38:52 AM PST by freekitty
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To: webstersII
Any prayer, incantation, or magic potion made with an effort to control SOMEONE ELSE (not just a prayer with a specific outcome) is witchcraft. That's the basis of it.

Wrong.

Witchcraft is any effort to alter any phemomena for any reason through the power of intention. That is the basis of witchcraft. Your definition covers only one small aspect of a specific type of action. You are right that prayer is not the only method used to focus the mind on an intention but whatever method that is used is only a characteristic of application not the essence of the act.

13 posted on 11/21/2003 9:01:54 AM PST by TigersEye (Regime change in the courts. - Impeach activist judges!)
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To: CobaltBlue
What happened to free speech Einstein? I can call you evil and not be prosecuted for it (as of now) in the U.S. This is so sad and scary to see our cousins in Australia blindly following progressive politics. This use to be called fascism.
14 posted on 11/21/2003 9:23:26 AM PST by ohioman
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To: CobaltBlue
We don't like to think of people as evil, but, remember, satan came as angel of light. Nobody would believe in him if he didn't do things very subtlety, giving not the appearance of evil. There are spirits involed in wiccan and those spirits are evil. Most of the people involved are probably pretty unaware of what's going on behind the scenes spiritually.
15 posted on 11/21/2003 9:25:07 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
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To: webstersII
God considers rebellion as witchcraft. How much of that is in the world today.
16 posted on 11/21/2003 9:27:42 AM PST by Marysecretary (GOD is still in control!)
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To: sauropod
It's coming here.

Thanks a bunch, Orrin.

I wonder... I wonder if the "Seperation of Church and State" crowd would fight these sort of laws, saying that "Just as 'The Church' should have no influence over 'The State,' 'The State' should have no influence over 'The Church.'"

Nahhh... Those people don't really care about a seperation. They just don't want to be judged, but they would like control...

Mark

17 posted on 11/21/2003 9:29:24 AM PST by MarkL (Chiefs 9-1... #$&!@(*#$$%^&@@#!!!!!!)
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To: Coleus
ping
18 posted on 11/21/2003 10:01:18 AM PST by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: MarkL
My thoughts exactly. When monotheists are called to task for actions that are egregious and hateful in nature they claim "religious persecution". Yet when some yahoo calls someone a "satan worshiper" and "evil" then they are just "disagreeing" with that other persons "beliefs" and exercising their right to "free speech".

Hate is hate and while I don't agree with many "hate speech" laws, as I feel that existing "libel" and "slander" laws cover most of these situations, let us not place our heads in the sand and claim hateful words and accusations as anything but hate speech, no matter the source.

19 posted on 11/21/2003 11:13:28 AM PST by The_Pickle ("We have no Permanent Allies, We have no Permanent Enemies, Only Permanent Interests")
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To: TigersEye
Then what you are saying is the Bible teaches witchcraft. I can't imagine that many people would agree with that definition.

Your definition is so broad that it covers all efforts in life and the result is that, according to your definition, there's no such thing as witchcraft. You said that, "Witchcraft is any effort to alter any phemomena for any reason through the power of intention." The power of intention applies to just about everything in life, from going to the bathroom to going to work every day to deciding to post a response on FR. All of these require the power of intention to get them done and they obviously have nothing to do with witchcraft.

Witches do much more than just focus their intentions. They try to use the supernatural to affect and effect things in the physical world, oftentimes trying to make a specific person complete their own desires. The power that they call on is what defines them as witches (yes, I do realize that they do not call on the power of Satan as most people believe), not just their intentions and the incantations and spells they use.
20 posted on 11/22/2003 10:57:33 AM PST by webstersII
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