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Gen. Franks Doubts Constitution Will Survive WMD Attack
News Max.Com ^ | 11-21-03

Posted on 11/20/2003 5:14:53 PM PST by hope

Gen. Franks Doubts Constitution Will Survive WMD Attack

John O. Edwards, NewsMax.com
Friday, Nov. 21, 2003
Gen. Tommy Franks says that if the United States is hit with a weapon of mass destruction that inflicts large casualties, the Constitution will likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government.

Franks, who successfully led the U.S. military operation to liberate Iraq, expressed his worries in an extensive interview he gave to the men’s lifestyle magazine Cigar Aficionado.

In the magazine’s December edition, the former commander of the military’s Central Command warned that if terrorists succeeded in using a weapon of mass destruction (WMD) against the U.S. or one of our allies, it would likely have catastrophic consequences for our cherished republican form of government.

Discussing the hypothetical dangers posed to the U.S. in the wake of Sept. 11, Franks said that “the worst thing that could happen” is if terrorists acquire and then use a biological, chemical or nuclear weapon that inflicts heavy casualties.

If that happens, Franks said, “... the Western world, the free world, loses what it cherishes most, and that is freedom and liberty we’ve seen for a couple of hundred years in this grand experiment that we call democracy.”

Franks then offered “in a practical sense” what he thinks would happen in the aftermath of such an attack.

“It means the potential of a weapon of mass destruction and a terrorist, massive, casualty-producing event somewhere in the Western world – it may be in the United States of America – that causes our population to question our own Constitution and to begin to militarize our country in order to avoid a repeat of another mass, casualty-producing event. Which in fact, then begins to unravel the fabric of our Constitution. Two steps, very, very important.”

Franks didn’t speculate about how soon such an event might take place.

Already, critics of the U.S. Patriot Act, rushed through Congress in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, have argued that the law aims to curtail civil liberties and sets a dangerous precedent.

But Franks’ scenario goes much further. He is the first high-ranking official to openly speculate that the Constitution could be scrapped in favor of a military form of government.

The usually camera-shy Franks retired from U.S. Central Command, known in Pentagon lingo as CentCom, in August 2003, after serving nearly four decades in the Army.

Franks earned three Purple Hearts for combat wounds and three Bronze Stars for valor. Known as a “soldier’s general,” Franks made his mark as a top commander during the U.S.’s successful Operation Desert Storm, which liberated Kuwait in 1991. He was in charge of CentCom when Osama bin Laden’s al-Qaeda attacked the United States on Sept. 11.

Franks said that within hours of the attacks, he was given orders to prepare to root out the Taliban in Afghanistan and to capture bin Laden.

Franks offered his assessment on a number of topics to Cigar Aficionado, including:

President Bush: “As I look at President Bush, I think he will ultimately be judged as a man of extremely high character. A very thoughtful man, not having been appraised properly by those who would say he’s not very smart. I find the contrary. I think he’s very, very bright. And I suspect that he’ll be judged as a man who led this country through a crease in history effectively. Probably we’ll think of him in years to come as an American hero.”

On the motivation for the Iraq war: Contrary to claims that top Pentagon brass opposed the invasion of Iraq, Franks said he wholeheartedly agreed with the president’s decision to invade Iraq and oust Saddam Hussein.

“I, for one, begin with intent. ... There is no question that Saddam Hussein had intent to do harm to the Western alliance and to the United States of America. That intent is confirmed in a great many of his speeches, his commentary, the words that have come out of the Iraqi regime over the last dozen or so years. So we have intent.

“If we know for sure ... that a regime has intent to do harm to this country, and if we have something beyond a reasonable doubt that this particular regime may have the wherewithal with which to execute the intent, what are our actions and orders as leaders in this country?”

The Pentagon’s deck of cards: Asked how the Pentagon decided to put its most-wanted Iraqis on a set of playing cards, Franks explained its genesis. He recalled that when his staff identified the most notorious Iraqis the U.S. wanted to capture, “it just turned out that the number happened to be about the same as a deck of cards. And so somebody said, ‘Aha, this will be the ace of spades.’”

Capturing Saddam: Franks said he was not surprised that Saddam has not been captured or killed. But he says he will eventually be found, perhaps sooner than Osama bin laden.

“The capture or killing of Saddam Hussein will be a near term thing. And I won’t say that’ll be within 19 or 43 days. ... I believe it is inevitable.”

Franks ended his interview with a less-than-optimistic note. “It’s not in the history of civilization for peace ever to reign. Never has in the history of man. ... I doubt that we’ll ever have a time when the world will actually be at peace.”

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KEYWORDS: constitution; napalminthemorning; tommyfranks; wmd; wot
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To: Protagoras
Wars have always and everywhere in US History caused an erosion of freedom.

Especially the war on poverty, the war on illiteracy, the war on drugs, and in future administrations, the war on terror. All done with noble intentions that called for us all to sacrifice freedom and/or property, and all (with the exception of the latest, the war on terror, because it's too new) have failed and in fact, only made things worse.

61 posted on 11/20/2003 5:59:45 PM PST by Orangedog (Soccer-Moms are the biggest threat to your freedoms and the republic !)
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To: oceanview
We don't know how many they'll have if one goes off. The people of Japan were no longer under the threat of more going off after the surrender. You have to understand that this is nothing like that was.

When it happens here, it'll be chaos like you can't imagine.
62 posted on 11/20/2003 5:59:51 PM PST by Monty22
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To: hope
The story is very believable, the sleepers are already here. Remember people, Bubba and Arafat met over 200 times in the White House, it's obvious they were not cementing an Israeli/Palestinian peace deal in those 200 visits. Yes, charcter counts when it comes to who is running the country.
63 posted on 11/20/2003 6:00:09 PM PST by John Lenin
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To: NittanyLion
There will be other attacks here.

The question is when.

The amswer is when the anti American crowd,the environmentalists, the communists and socialists are successful in getting us to withdraw our troops from Iraq.

I did not mention the democrats because they are included each time one mentions anti-Americans, socialists and communists, environmentalists.

At the moment, they are too busy fighting us over there to concentrate on attacking us over here.

Each day every democrat politican prays to his or her gods or goddess that a nucular devise will be detonated somewhere in the Unites States. They only hope that it will not be where they are.

We are going to have fight them. We can fight them here or there.
64 posted on 11/20/2003 6:01:18 PM PST by sport
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To: hope; Travis McGee; Squantos; tet68; sneakypete; harpseal; Chapita; Always A Marine; Grampa Dave; ..
Gen. Tommy Franks says that if the United States is hit with a weapon of mass destruction that inflicts large casualties, the Constitution will likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government.

It is not clear here whether Franks believes this would actually happen and whether he advocates or supports it.

I will say this, any officer, any member of the armed service, any government employee or any politician who would advocate this and move in support of it has violated their oath to uphold, defend and bear true allegiance to that very constitution and marked themselves as an enemy of the people.

We can survivie a WMD...we will not survive the destruction or setting aside of the Constitution.

The day any of these people and their lackeys, in their high glory and glass houses, try and do this is the day that Proposition 223 and the Rule of 307 will come into play.

Jeff

65 posted on 11/20/2003 6:01:27 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Cautor
the economic dislocation would indeed be the worst part of it, for those not directly affected.
66 posted on 11/20/2003 6:01:35 PM PST by oceanview
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To: hope
Let's pretend that the United States is attack by terrorists who use WMD's....What I would like to know is what would the United States do? Would we use WMD's as well?
67 posted on 11/20/2003 6:01:55 PM PST by Arpege92
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To: Monty22
You are a little ray of sunshine, aren't you?

I think you are way off base.
68 posted on 11/20/2003 6:02:29 PM PST by GWfan
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To: Arpege92
We better use them in retaliation against the islamic nations that fostered, harbored, and supported the actions against the USA.

Either directly, or indirectly by looking the other way.
69 posted on 11/20/2003 6:02:58 PM PST by Monty22
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To: Monty22
they didn't surrender until after the second nuclear attack, and would not have done so had the emperor not caved or had the coup suceeded.
70 posted on 11/20/2003 6:03:06 PM PST by oceanview
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To: Dan from Michigan
"Without freedom, there's nothing. When there's nothing, there's nothing left to lose. "

Well said.

WMD won't end America's freedoms, politicians will. Muslims didn't inventory WMD first and they have more to fear than we do. Solutions other than to kill the other side need to be explored before there is no turning back. If we have confidence in the ideas of America, then don't change America.

71 posted on 11/20/2003 6:03:12 PM PST by ex-snook (Americans need Balanced Trade - we buy from you, you buy from us. No free rides.)
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To: GWfan
Why am I off base, what do you think would happen if cities here started going away?
72 posted on 11/20/2003 6:03:22 PM PST by Monty22
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To: Cautor
Franks is right

No, he is wrong about discarding the constitution.

No doubt it will be terrible if it happens, but we can and will survive it. We would not survive a discarding of the constitution. See my post 65.

73 posted on 11/20/2003 6:04:07 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: Jeff Head
Keep your powder dry.
74 posted on 11/20/2003 6:04:47 PM PST by michigander
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To: NittanyLion
It sounds like Franks is talking about the loss of republican government in a more permanent sense than martial law. It doesn't appear Franks expects a temporary loss of freedoms based on the posted article, but rather a new form of government going forward.


It also sounds like it scares the hell out of him, too.
75 posted on 11/20/2003 6:04:50 PM PST by gatorbait (Yesterday, today and tomorrow......The United States Army)
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To: Straight Vermonter
The ancient Roman's, during the republic, provided for military leadership in times of crisis. They appointed a dictator (simply meaning leader, without the negative modern connotation) who ruled until the crisis passed.

And the Germans thought that they would be able to vote Hitler out of office if he got out of hand. Cincinnatus was kind enough to step down. Most dictators kinda like the job and want to hang on to it.

76 posted on 11/20/2003 6:04:59 PM PST by Orangedog (Soccer-Moms are the biggest threat to your freedoms and the republic !)
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To: Jeff Head
When you're in line getting government approiated food rations and moved to a non radiated area to live, you won't be worrying about the constitution. I promise you that.
77 posted on 11/20/2003 6:05:11 PM PST by Monty22
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To: ex-snook
Agreed, see my post 65.
78 posted on 11/20/2003 6:05:16 PM PST by Jeff Head
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To: hope
".... that causes our population to question our own Constitution and to begin to militarize our country in order to avoid a repeat of another mass, casualty-producing event..."

I read this as to mean the citizens would bare arms to protect our country.

79 posted on 11/20/2003 6:05:27 PM PST by Normal4me
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To: Arpege92
who do we hit? that's a problem, these attacks by proxy have deniability. the logical thing to do would be to nuke all military and weapons production targets in Pakistan, North Korea and Iran. And for it to be effective, it would have to happen within 1 hour of the attack on us. We can't sit around and debate it for 6 months.
80 posted on 11/20/2003 6:05:38 PM PST by oceanview
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