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Bush says Muslims and Christians Worship Same God
CNN | 11/20/03

Posted on 11/20/2003 4:54:20 AM PST by truthandlife

I was watching the Tony Blair and President Bush press conference and an American reporter asked a question on the lines of do you believe Muslims and Christians worship the same God.

President Bush said that Christians and Muslims worship the same God!!!!


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KEYWORDS: atrw; bush; catholiclist; christianity; deathcult; faith; heresy; islam; islamonazis
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To: pcx99
Extremely profound and correct. Thank you for your post.
221 posted on 11/20/2003 7:14:06 AM PST by rintense
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To: ASA Vet
How many Gods are there, anyway?

As many as man can imagine.

As many as man can imagine PLUS ONE.

222 posted on 11/20/2003 7:15:01 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: Prodigal Son
The Bible, that is to say, the writers who composed the 66 books of the Bible, regards the existence of God as axiomatic. Although I am not familiar with the Koran, the Book of Mormon and other LDS sacred writings, or the Jewish oral tradition that was codified into the Talmud, I presume that they all regard the existence of God as a fact, much as 2+2=4.

The apostle Paul, in Romans 1:19-20, indicates that the existence of God may be deduced from the observation of nature. The approach that many Christian apologists, such as Thomas Aquinas, have taken in this matter is to use evidence of orderliness in the universe, benevolence toward humans and other life on this planet, etc., to point out the absurdity of not believing in the existence of God.

But of course, all that these arguments support is the improbability of the universe being organized via random chance. It does not prove the claims made by the Bible of God's character, His Triune nature, or the unique role of Jesus Christ. That comes from accepting the Bible as true because it is God's Word and thus reliable in these matters.

223 posted on 11/20/2003 7:15:20 AM PST by Wallace T.
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To: A. Pole
If you reduce your world to what you can see or touch, your life will be very impoverished.

So say you. I believe differently.

Even the nation cannot be seen directly.

Sure it can. It cannot be viewed in its entirety but it can definitely be experienced directly.

224 posted on 11/20/2003 7:15:50 AM PST by Prodigal Son ("Fundamentalist Left". It's a great meme. Spread it.)
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To: Prodigal Son
I don't think your problems were related to God or the Bible at that time. You developed your own god and attributed properties to him that you feared. That's typcial of people (like kids) who find God via external forces. You didn't know God; you just knew what other people said about it. You truly see God through people who LIVE like God intends. In the Christian world, we call it "being more like Jesus". In the atheist/pagan world, people tend to view Christians in terms of those "Christians" who yell the loudest or the fearsome God they invented in their childhood. I grew up in the church and I don't remember that fearsome God but I became an atheist anyway.

I read the Bible as an atheist and I didn't think it proved God, it just showed that people believed in Him. You will find God when throw out everything you know about God and you discover the true meaning of "Grace".

225 posted on 11/20/2003 7:16:10 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: billbears
Islam is a cult and false religion. For President Bush to make a statement as this is a slap in the face to many citizens of the respective states who are Christian
It's not a "slap" to Roman Catholics. Lumen Gentium, the "Dogmatic Constitution of the Church" recognizes Islam as believing in the same God as Christians. Pope John Paul II has also reiterated this point on numerous occasions.

-Eric

226 posted on 11/20/2003 7:17:02 AM PST by E Rocc
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To: Prodigal Son
And reading the Koran would demonstrate to me what exactly?

That the god of Islam and the God of Christianity are not the same.

227 posted on 11/20/2003 7:17:03 AM PST by Stop Legal Plunder
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To: rintense
If so, then the exact same reasoning could be applied to those who murder abortion doctors in the name of Christianity.

Uhhh...how many abortion doctors have died at the hands of Christians? How many people have died in the name of Islam? Hellllooooooo....

228 posted on 11/20/2003 7:18:38 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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To: Kevin Curry
Jews don't believe in Jesus (condemned to death for blasphemy, by the way) or a Triune God, either. And yet we generally understand that Jews and Christians worship the same Supreme Being.
229 posted on 11/20/2003 7:19:01 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: billbears
I worship a LIVING God. Their god is dead.
230 posted on 11/20/2003 7:19:02 AM PST by 4CJ (Come along chihuahua, I want to hear you say yo quiero taco bell. - Nolu Chan, 28 Jul 2003)
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To: Wallace T.
The apostle Paul, in Romans 1:19-20, indicates that the existence of God may be deduced from the observation of nature.

Interesting. For me, the existence of God or a god or a deity can be demonstrated to some degree by sheer logic. I am, however an agnostic- meaning, to this point, it has not been demonstrated (to me) in the natural world. But a certain portion of myself assumes that there must be something out there that would fit the bill of "deity" even if it would not conform to our terrestrial religious documents.

231 posted on 11/20/2003 7:19:15 AM PST by Prodigal Son ("Fundamentalist Left". It's a great meme. Spread it.)
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To: Wait4Truth
Exactly. There are many paths to God, but there is only one God. For Christians, the path to God is through the belief in Jesus Christ. Other religions have different paths. Some Christians may not like the paths that others choose, as I'm sure some Muslims don't like the Christian path. But ultimately, we will all- all of God's children- be judged together.
232 posted on 11/20/2003 7:20:28 AM PST by rintense
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To: AppyPappy
Uhhh...how many abortion doctors have died at the hands of Christians?

One or two? And how many children died at the hands of abortion doctors?

233 posted on 11/20/2003 7:22:05 AM PST by A. Pole
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To: truthandlife
The White House
Office of the Press Secretary
November 20, 2003

President Bush, Prime Minister Hold Joint Press Conference
Foreign and Commonwealth Offices
London, England

< snip >

Q Mr. President, when you talk about peace in the Middle East, you've often said that freedom is granted by the Almighty. Some people who share your beliefs don't believe that Muslims worship the same Almighty. I wonder about your views on that. . . .

PRESIDENT BUSH: I do say that freedom is the Almighty's gift to every person. I also condition it by saying freedom is not America's gift to the world. It's much greater than that, of course. And I believe we worship the same God.

234 posted on 11/20/2003 7:22:07 AM PST by Charles Henrickson (The Muslims worship a false god. Bush is wrong. I'd vote for him for President but not for Pastor.)
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To: Stop Legal Plunder
That the god of Islam and the God of Christianity are not the same.

And how would it demonstrate this without being able to demonstrate the existence of their deity?

It seems to me that to follow your line of argument one must allow that the Muslims do indeed worship a real deity and then one can easily demonstrate that it is not the same deity as the one the Christians/Jews/Hindus etc worship. But this also assumes the existence of these other deities as well. Fair enough, but were we to assume all these things, would we not be left with many deities? I can't find the demonstration of even one deity, much less a dozen.

235 posted on 11/20/2003 7:22:42 AM PST by Prodigal Son ("Fundamentalist Left". It's a great meme. Spread it.)
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To: AppyPappy
Anyone who would use their religion as a reason to kill, no matter how few or many, is inherently wrong. Period.
236 posted on 11/20/2003 7:23:13 AM PST by rintense
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To: truthandlife
OH, he knows. He's just pandering for votes and trying the be as P.C as possible.
237 posted on 11/20/2003 7:24:07 AM PST by Gottwnz
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To: Stop Legal Plunder
Is there a God of the Universe, or is God defined by cultural beliefs?

If the is a single God of the Universe, then all religions worship the same God.

If God is defined by the beliefs of the culture, then all religions will have a different God.

What is your definition of God?

238 posted on 11/20/2003 7:24:17 AM PST by Hunble
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To: Jacvin
"As someone raised Catholic, I always believed that Christians and Muslims worship the same God. I still do."

Err, no offense meant buddy, but the Catholic church I was raised in still has us profess the Nicene Creed every Sunday. Has it been a while since you've professed it? "One God" "One baptism" "We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ","one holy catholic and apostolic church".

Does not seem to leave much doubt now does it?

This leaves absolutely zero doubt:

DOGMATIC CONSTITUTION ON THE CHURCH LUMEN GENTIUM
SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY HOLINESS
POPE PAUL VI
ON NOVEMBER 21, 1964

16. Finally, those who have not yet received the Gospel are related in various ways to the people of God.(18*) In the first place we must recall the people to whom the testament and the promises were given and from whom Christ was born according to the flesh.(125) On account of their fathers this people remains most dear to God, for God does not repent of the gifts He makes nor of the calls He issues.(126); But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Mohamedans, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind

-Eric

239 posted on 11/20/2003 7:24:30 AM PST by E Rocc
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To: rintense
Irrelevant. The difference is in the numbers. 1 or 2 is an isolated case. 10,000 is a trend.
240 posted on 11/20/2003 7:24:46 AM PST by AppyPappy (If You're Not A Part Of The Solution, There's Good Money To Be Made In Prolonging The Problem.)
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