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To: Dr. Marten
Spare me. I've had it up to the gills with this sanctimonious focusing on the Patriot Act as if it's the sole and largest threat to our Constitutional Rights.

Hell, anyone with half a brain knows damned well that our core liberties have been under attack for decades. It didn't start with the Patriot Act, nor was it scarcely exacerbated by the Patriot Act.

Like I said, if anyone wants to start championing our rights, let them start a REAL fight for the ONLY right that safeguards all our other rights. But this business about whining first and foremost about the Patriot Act isn't just annoying...it's nothing but whoring for sympathy.

To hell with that. Try undoing the decades-long assault on our rights. THEN worry about undoing the Patriot Act.

25 posted on 11/19/2003 10:03:59 PM PST by Prime Choice (This Post is Rated "Conservative": May Be Too Intense for Liberal Viewers.)
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To: Prime Choice
"Hell, anyone with half a brain knows damned well that our core liberties have been under attack for decades. It didn't start with the Patriot Act, nor was it scarcely exacerbated by the Patriot Act."

I could not agree with you more.

Every treaty we sign with the UN is a direct assault on our liberties.

IMHO, the patriot act was nothing more than a government knee-jerk reaction to 9/11/01. A closer look at the Patriot Act would reveal just what you stated above, a continuation of assault on our liberties from years past.
31 posted on 11/19/2003 10:11:06 PM PST by Dr. Marten (To be conscious that you are ignorant is a great step to knowledge)
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To: Prime Choice
To hell with that. Try undoing the decades-long assault on our rights. THEN worry about undoing the Patriot Act.

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Amen Prime Choice. We must first be alive. The terrorists would have us all dead. Then who would be left to challenge the taking of our rights. My understanding, not having read chapter and verse, is that law enforcement's hands were tied by dumb rules which kept the terrorists one step ahead of them at every turn. Some of the provisions I know of gave law enforcement an advantage over the terrorists. You can't expect to catch a terrorist if you have to tell him weeks in advance that you're coming after him.

The DemocRATS have slowly taken away our rights even without a 9/11 to fight for. Where were these people when that was going on. Like someone said above, THIS IS WAR. And a war we can't afford to lose. I, for one, would rather the terrorists have the death part and I'll keep the life part for myself.

The Patriot Act at least has sunset clauses that return some things back to the way they were. Where are the sunset clauses for the laws passed over the past 60 years? Where's the outrage over that?
33 posted on 11/19/2003 10:19:46 PM PST by gooleyman
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To: Prime Choice
Re: Your #25. A little vigilance goes a long way. How did the creeping erosion of freedom get this far...?! Because every time more laws are passed for "the public good" there is a chorus that shouts down any protest.
91 posted on 11/20/2003 12:53:25 PM PST by Anthem (Voting is one thing... but culture trumps any campaign. What are you doing for the culture?)
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