New Evidence in JFK Assassination Compels LBJ Attorney Barr McClellan To Demand Release of Documents

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[wildbill]

Barr and I were best friends from Jr. High through high school. Then we lost touch when I went out of state to college.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Back in '63, I think he would've been still in law school, so he couldn't be expected to have first hand knowledge of any plot. But maybe he learned something later that gave rise to suspicions. I've ordered the book.

[Havoc]

No problem. And my handle was given to me. I used to run a BBS system years ago and was having trouble both naming the board and picking a handle. After naming the board, "the Thieves Guild", a buddy thought 'Guildmaster Havoc' sounded pretty cool and it stuck. I had a prior handle for when I visited other boards. But I haven't used that in about 8 years now. ;)

[the_Watchman]

Your quotation gives me a perfect entry for my post, which is slightly off center:

"Cry Havoc and let loose the dogs of war"

My question is: Why now?

Is there some political gain to be had by plastering LBJ now? Clearly, the media is beginning to harp on this subject almost to the same degree that they mindlessly repeat unsubstantiated claims against George Bush.

In fact, this makes me wonder if there is some connection between George Bush or his father and LBJ, since they are all Texan?

Another possibility is that there is someone of power within the Democrat party who can be implicated and who would otherwise stand in the way of a Hillary run in 2004.

I wonder if there isn't something going on to cause this issue to surface NOW. Knowing that the official documents are still sealed, it would make perfect fodder for inuendo if a tenuous charge could be leveled. The "named party" would not be even to defend themselves with all the evidence under seal. This has all the earmarks of a setup for a media feeding frenzy.

Come on guys! Let's put on our tin foil hats and prognosticate away!

[elli1]

McClellan's bio said he represented LBJ interests from 66-71. Incidentally, Scott McClellan (Ari's replacement) is his son.

[Kay Soze]

So if records are sealed till 2030 its pointless to "investigate" this in any way shape or form.

And why would "they" seal any evidence/ records till 2030?

[Timesink]

Everyone on the Warren Commission is now dead, except for President Ford.

[wildbill]

Johnson would hunt deer on his ranch--at night, with spotlights mounted on his truck."

Texas stock farmers only hunt varmints at night with trucks and lights. Varmints are defined in the Texas dictionary as anything that eats money crops.

[texasbluebell]

Men shooting from storm drains is the stuff of Covert ops, sinkspur. It is what determined, well paid and well motivated assassins do - ie, whatever the job calls for.

One of the interviewees on one of the History Channel's episodes tonight, I believe it was the Capt. in one of the services, said that in his training, he was learning about various assassinations around the world, and his superiors used the JFK assassination as one of the example of one that was well done.

And he in fact overhead 2 of his instructors afterwards, one of them said to the other: We really did a good job in Dealey Plaza. The captain believed one of his instructors was involved in the plot.

[Kay Soze]

"1964 The United States government orders Kennedy assassination documents to be sealed for 75 years, until the year 2039.

The Warren Commission records were sealed for 75 years!!!!

So its pointless to even discuss, measure, recreate blah blah blah anything to do with the JFK assination!

[Havoc]

People like Ford are disconcerting. I wish there were an easy answer for how to deal with liars; but, there isn't.
The best one I can think of is that there are still people out there that some of these guys are really afraid of. Another possibility is that the Government was involved to an extent that would shake public faith more than it already has been. What if Johnson really had the Kennedies killed. What if Hoover helped him do it. Think of the impact that would have to this society. It wouldn't excuse the lies; but, it does make them understandable. I think there is no better medicine than the truth. People will forgive a lot of things if you're just truthful with them.
It's when people lie and stick to their lies that trust is irrevocably broken.

[the_Watchman]

So its pointless to even discuss, measure, recreate blah blah blah anything to do with the JFK assination!

Please read my post #63. My point was that it seems odd to me that this is getting so much attention at this time. It would NOT be pointless if someone were poised to damage or control someone in the political arena.

[elli1]

Excellent points. I think Hoover is connected to this & that explains people like Gerald Ford. If it had been revealed that Hoover was part of it, the country would have melted down.

[texasbluebell]

It will be interesting to see how this plays out. Back in '63, I think he would've been still in law school, so he couldn't be expected to have first hand knowledge of any plot. But maybe he learned something later that gave rise to suspicions. I've ordered the book.

On one of last night's History Channel episodes, it was said that back in those days at some point, Barr McC. was working for the law firm that LBJ used. Barr heard a lot about the earlier history of Johnson and his cronies, his "fixers", those who cleared the way for him in his rise. He learned about some deaths that seem to have been caused by some of this crowd.

Sounds like Barr learned a lot. I just ordered the book too. (Somebody earlier in the thread made reference to Barr drinking a lot. Well, I think I would too if I had heard some of this stuff and knew even a little of this first hand...)

[Havoc]

Democrats were in charge in Kennedy's time. They were in charge during the time that the house select committee changed the official story in 78. It happened under their watch and possibly at the behest of a democrat. Many were afraid of Johnson; but, they have to defend the party. That's my guess. That and Democrats scream and shout louder the closer one gets to the truth sitting behind one of their lies. If Johnson hadn't died, he'd probably be in prison. Bobby Kennedy was nothing if not dogged when it comes to putting people in jail for their illegal practices.
Imagine the fervor with which he persued Hoffa aimed at Johnson and his cronies. That's what was going on behind the scenes. How heated it might have been between Bobby and Johnson, I don't know; but, it's obvious that Johnson had something major to hide and there are 17 murders hanging at his doorstep from the testimony of a man that has been taken as credible in court.

If the Kennedys had a problem with Johnson I doubt he ever would have been Jack's VP. And Bobby wasn't one to go after someone just to be doing it. Especially when it had the capacity to give big brother a black eye for picking the guy as a running mate. What is being done to Johnson was done by Johnson IMO. Let the facts tell the story. If Johnson is guilty, or innocent, whatever the case, it is Johnson's making. And that will be his legacy.

[Kay Soze]

Its November.

We go through this every Nov.

It will change come Nov 2039!

Until then its like talking about Aliens and UFOs.

[texasbluebell]

Unless there's enough pressure building for the records to be released.

[Kay Soze]

Hey I hope they do.

But given "they" havent everything has been pure 100% sepculation.

Obviously it must be really really huge eveidence that been sealed!

[texasbluebell]

Yes, they're waiting till nearly everyone who was alive at the time is dead and gone. Thankfully many people are working on various aspects all on their own, depending on their own areas of expertise.

Maybe one day, some future administration will let us know what really happened.

I for one am ready for it.

[Destro]

Just ask - why were people that were fired and enemies of JFK on the Warren commission? Where did the kill take place? Whose brother was the mayor of Dallas? etc etc.

[Havoc]

I wouldn't read that into the comment. If the instructor knew or believed the Government was involved in it - that would lead to the same conversation. This is one of the things you have to be careful to put in context and examine carefully.

Based on what is known to date, I'd say that the corsicans did it and that Christian David is the lynchpin. The testimony there is credible. It fits the facts. It fits the workings of the group in Dallas and New Orleans. It fits the profile for the way the US handles hiring foriegners for assassinations. To me, it resolves all the issues of the evidence without causing any real questions to arise that can't be answered.

Bobby himself was involved partially in the coverup due to national security reasons. But that doesn't by far explain it all. The coverup was in full swing by the time Kennedy reached Parkland. The limo was pulled from sight the moment it was pointed out that there was a hole in the windshield of the car. There was only one person with the authority to make that kind of call on the ground in Dallas, and that was Johnson. If the SS did it on their own, then the level of complicity is exposed in that action.
The history of what happened to the Limo smacks of coverup from the outset.