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Spring (Texas) man raided by U.S. Fish and Wildlife Services (Scary Carnivore reference!)
The Villager ^ | November 13, 2003 | Jim Belew

Posted on 11/19/2003 11:39:05 AM PST by TexRef

Three days before Halloween, George Norris, 24407 Pine Canyon Drive, Spring, got a visit from a U.S. agency that proved scarier than any spook or goblin.

He is still recovering from the encounter.

Norris, 65, and his wife, Kathy, own Spring Orchid Specialties.

"I import orchids from all around the world and have been doing it more than 25 years," he said.

A small greenhouse is located in the back of their home.

The income supplements his Social Security check.

He suffers from diabetes, arthritis and heart problems and is unable to work, he said.

At 10 a.m. Oct. 28, he said, three pick-up trucks pulled into his driveway and six people, five men and one woman, got out.

All of the men were wearing body armor and carrying sidearms.

Four of them came to the front door and two went to the back.

When he answered the front door, one of the men identified himself as a special agent with the United States Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS), a branch of the U.S. Department of the Interior.

"They serve me with a search warrant, they sit me in a chair in my kitchen, tell me not to move out of the chair. They read me my Miranda Rights, then tell me I'm not under arrest, but I can't leave that chair," Norris said.

"They wouldn't even permit me to get my glasses to read documents they were showing me. They had to send somebody to get my glasses for me."

The agents had a search warrant issued by U.S. Magistrate Judge Mary Milloy in Houston, empowering them to search for a certain type of orchid imported from Peru without required United States import permits.

According to FWS, Norris represented the plants as lawfully imported and sold them via electronic mail. The importation and selling of the orchids is a violation of the Lacey Act and is a felony.

The agents proceeded to rummage the entire house and greenhouse for nearly four hours, he said.

"They went through our dresser drawers, they went through my wife's underwear drawer; they went through my sock drawer; they went through our closets; they went through all the rooms in the house.

"They tore up everything, particularly my office. They took 20-something boxes of documents; they took my computer; they took my customer list; they took invoices; they took everything. They even took floppy disks that had fishing pictures on them."

Norris said he tried in vain to explain to the agents he was in compliance with U.S. and international laws allowing the sale of the type of orchid for which they were searching, phragmipedium, which grows in Peru.

Two types of classifications, Appendix One and Appendix Two, exist for some orchids, Norris said.

Appendix One orchids are endangered and Appendix Two are threatened. Appendix One applies to a limited quantity of plants considered seriously endangered in the wild.

All the rest of the plants are Appendix Two, which are considered threatened but legal for trade.

"I imported some Appendix One type plants from Peru in August, but they were artificially propagated. Any of the Appendix One plants that are artificially propagated, they don't come from the wild. They are either grown from seeds or divisions of plants that have been in greenhouses for a long time or something other than wild collected. They're no longer subject to Appendix One; they become automatically Appendix Two if the grower can certify that they are artificially propagated," he said.

Though the FSW agents listened, he said, they didn't seem to understand the explanation.

"They don't understand the differences. These are people that mostly make raids on folks with illegal parents, people trading in rhinoceros horns, tiger products, things of mostly animal nature," he said.

Norris said he believes his troubles may stem from FSW's use of CARNIVORE, a government system that can tap into computer e-mails.

"They showed me page 3 of a 5-page e-mail from several years ago where I was being offered smuggled plants. They did not show me pages 4 and 5 which were my answer to this fellow telling him we would not buy any such plants that were undocumented. This was so old that I don't even remember this e-mail," he said.

"Well, they went down and convinced the judge to give them a search warrant because they had an old copy of my CITES document from Peru showing these plants on there which they generally regard as Appendix One plants.

"But I imported them on my permits which allow me to import artificially propagated Appendix One plants," he said.

About four years ago, the FWS conducted a similar investigation of his premises and concluded he was in compliance with all laws, he said. "And this search was done without a search warrant by only asking me to cooperate, which I did."

Terry Thiebeault, the FWS supervisor of the agency's latest search of the Norris premises, declined to comment Monday on the case.

Norris has not been arrested or charged.

Norris said he will ask Judge Milloy to rescind the search warrant order and to instruct the FSW to return all the material they confiscated.

"For now, I am out of business and prevented from conducting my business," he said. I am getting checks coming in for payments of bills, but I do not have any of those records to make the payments to."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: carnivore; environment; usfishwildlife
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This is crazy!!!
1 posted on 11/19/2003 11:39:06 AM PST by TexRef
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2 posted on 11/19/2003 11:42:13 AM PST by Vigilantcitizen
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To: TexRef
Another victim mugged by gov't.
3 posted on 11/19/2003 11:42:39 AM PST by etcetera
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To: TexRef
When will this insane War on Orchids end????
4 posted on 11/19/2003 11:43:11 AM PST by Texican72
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To: TexRef
Sure is!
5 posted on 11/19/2003 11:44:32 AM PST by EggsAckley (..................."Dean's got Tom McClintock Eyes".........................)
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To: TexRef
You jackbooted goverment thugs, go raise some trout fry and repopulate our streams or something useful.
6 posted on 11/19/2003 11:45:25 AM PST by No Blue States
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To: TexRef
We can go after an elderly person growing orchids, terrorize him and tear up his home, but we offer driver's licences and benefits to illegal aliens.

We have some serious priority problems here in the United States.

... Simply amazing

7 posted on 11/19/2003 11:48:50 AM PST by SaveTheChief
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To: TexRef
Carnivore is just one more example of how our country is turning into a police state.
8 posted on 11/19/2003 11:50:38 AM PST by StolarStorm
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To: TexRef
War on Terror...tax dollars in action
Flower Cops in vests and handguns take on elderly diabetic disabled person....
and steal his stuff...
Good thing he didnt have a dog to shoot or pick up his 12 gauge double barrel to defend himself as they circled around the back of his house..
thugs...nothing more probably less
9 posted on 11/19/2003 11:54:51 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: StolarStorm
See Plato's Republic......
10 posted on 11/19/2003 11:58:51 AM PST by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus,Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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To: farmfriend
ping
11 posted on 11/19/2003 12:00:19 PM PST by Libertarianize the GOP (Ideas have consequences)
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To: TexRef
I wonder if they actually thought this old orchid grower was going to shoot it out with them?

I've always thought that after you've ID'd yourself to an officer you are free to leave. If he/she/it tells you that you can't go, you ask if you are under arrest and tell them that if you aren't you want to leave and they really have to let you go...guess I'd get shot by a game warden, huh?

12 posted on 11/19/2003 12:00:20 PM PST by sailor4321
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To: TexRef
This kind of thing just makes me crazy. I don't do anything like this but I have this unsubstantiated fear of having something like this happen to me one day.

Return his computer and his records, you thugs!!!

I hate this. Idiots who don't know what they're doing.
13 posted on 11/19/2003 12:06:09 PM PST by TruthNtegrity (God bless America, God bless President George W. Bush and God bless our Military!)
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To: TexRef
And while they rifled his possessions they were looking for and hoping to find guns and drugs
guess he should be gratefull they didnt find any or supply one or the other for their search....
14 posted on 11/19/2003 12:11:06 PM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: StolarStorm
Carnivore is just one more example of how our country is turning into a police state.

Maybe, but I suspect that this guy just got "caught" by overenthusiastic investigator that doesn't understand the law he/she is enforcing.

Either the original offer was made by a government agent posing as a smuggler, or the smuggler got caught and they found the message on his computer (or webmail account). Given the delay, I would suspect the latter.

15 posted on 11/19/2003 12:12:43 PM PST by justlurking
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To: TexRef
We are At War now.
If you do No Wrong, there's Nothing go Fear.
It's for The Children.
16 posted on 11/19/2003 12:12:50 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Texican72
"When will this insane War on Orchids end????"

It's the War on SOME Orchids, obviously.
Use an Orchid, go to jail.
HS Proms will be the next targets.
17 posted on 11/19/2003 12:14:20 PM PST by LocalYokel (my state might be blue but my county was red)
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To: Texican72
"When will this insane War on Orchids end????"

It's the War on SOME Orchids, obviously.
Use an Orchid, go to jail.
HS Proms will be the next targets.
18 posted on 11/19/2003 12:14:20 PM PST by LocalYokel (my state might be blue but my county was red)
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To: ffusco
There really is nothing new under the sun!
Thrasymachus asks "Is Injustice More Profitable than Justice?"

The answer is obviously yes. It is cheaper and safer for the state to send out the goon sqaud to attack an old man who has commited no crime than it would be to go after a dangerous or wealthy criminal.
19 posted on 11/19/2003 12:19:13 PM PST by LittleJoe
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To: TexRef
This is crazy!!!

The smaller the man, the bigger the ego. There is hardly a bureaucrat in Washington anymore who doesn't either carry a gun or have the power to initiate a raid. And every one is itching for the chance to do it.

20 posted on 11/19/2003 12:26:16 PM PST by hopespringseternal
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