Kennedy assassination solved!

[Lando Lincoln]

...Back.....and to the left

Laz, you always boil it down to it's purest essence!LOL

Lando

[discostu]

I haven't read that one, came out after I lost primary interest (frankly Watergate is a lot more interesting than JFK). But while I was interested I did a lot of reading and watching on it.

My conclusion on what is the most likely scenario is exactly the opposite of yours. I find it highly unlikely that anybody could get off three shots with a bolt action rifle at a moving target of that size over that distance with any degree of accuracy, and it is quite frankly impossible that any bullet would do what the Warren Commision says that bullet did, even more impossible that it could come out looking pristine, and beyond any belief that it could then just appear on the stretcher. Even God doesn't work miracles as dramatic as what the Commision wants us to believe about that bullet.

At this juncture a functional conspiracy could work with just three participants: Oswald, the guy that killed Oswald (whose name just fell right out of my head with an audible plop), and one cop. With one conspirator dead within days, another dead a few years later, and the third being smart enough to remain anonymous (and by now 40 years later probably dead); that would be enough to explain all of the issues I have with the lone-gunman explanation and not have dozens of conspirators.

Of course then you have the long list of people who were going to "tell all" and then mysteriously died. Far reaching conspiracies have existed throughout history periodically, this could be one of those, or it could be there are a lot of unlucky people that were in Dallas that day in history.

[Az Joe]

Well, CASE CLOSED went a long way toward changing my mind. It also has it's detractors but again, ANY theory put forward will be attacked and will not be a "perfect" scenario.

I wouldn't have too much trouble with a very small, local conspiracy of two or three people, although I have seen no evidence of it. Ruby was a complete and utter nut case who would be the last person you would invite into your secret cause. When it grows into this monster conspiracy of government agencies and mob and Cuban connections that's where I part company.

[discostu]

But the Oswald theory isn't mearly not perfect, thanks to the weapon put forth as THE weapon and the bullet put forth as THE bullet the Oswald alone theory is positively laughable.

Ruby's health (both mental and physical) makes him a great conspirator, especially if the others have marked him as the patsy. He wasn't long for this world and being whacked might not be believed. IMHO the simplest conspiracy had Ruby as the fall guy but he screwed up and didn't get caught, meanwhile Oswald screwed up and got spotted, the cop had to allow Oswald to be arrested, faced with somebody that might squeel they did the obvious thing: sent Ruby in to kill Oswald and still be the fall guy, at that point no one will believe Ruby was a shooter in the plaza so he's an even better fall guy than before. I'm not saying that's what happened but it's a plausible conspiracy that involves only 3 people and covers the majority of the significant events in the Plaza on that day.

[philman_36]

Have you ever watched just the driver's hands in that clip?

[Tribune7]

I'd say the shooter was to the back and to Kennedy's left.

[american spirit]

Good stuff in that website, thanks.

[Havoc]

Take it to court and you'd lose. No tinfoil hat needed.

[Az Joe]

No evidence has ever been presented that ruby and Oswald were connected in ANY way.

Plausability is not enough to construct a theory with. Facts first, theory second, not the other way around.

[Az Joe]

Again, go to the library and read "Case Closed". I think it will change your mind.

[discostu]

Other than living in the same city. There's a lot of casual relationships I have that leave no trace in this world and after one or both of us is dead it'll be impossible to tell if I knew the person. Must have been even easier back in 1963 when we had fewer surveilance cameras and less general beaurocracy.

Like I said, that was just a theory I came up with off the top of my head. No matter how you slice it the Oswald shoots three shots with a bolt action rifle theory is completely BS, and ricocheting bullet that falls onto the stretcher on looks like a sample bullet fired into a chamber for analysis is even bigger BS. The lone gunman theory CANNOT standup as it stands, the only physical evidence we have (as miniscule as it is) ridicules it.

[discostu]

Case Closed can't change my mind. The bullet theory will not stand under any analysis that is even remotely intelligent. It might destroy individual theories but the official story is a fiction, and a poorly written one at that.

[Az Joe]

Read the book. I guarantee you that if you have an open mind it will change it.

This conspiracy crap is really beneath a poster on Free Republic. I'm sorry, but it's really childish.

[Elliott Jackalope]

I don't claim to have all of the answers about the Kennedy Assassination, but I do have one theory that explains the obvious coverup that happened in the wake of the assassination. My theory is that there was a Cuban component in the conspiracy to kill Kennedy, and that component became very obvious to everyone involved in investigating the assassination within the first 48 hours or so afterwards. Now they had a problem on their hands, do they let the public know that Cubans (and by proxy, Russians as well) were involved in killing Kennedy? Or do they propose some "lone-nut" theory designed to prevent public outrage that could have quite possibly led to all out nuclear war with the Russians?

Given the best of a couple of poor choices, I believe they did the right thing. This explains the obvious holes in the Warren Commission report and the obvious coverup activities that happened in the wake of the assassination, and also explains why we have normalized relations with every single Communist nation in the world with one exception, that exception being Cuba. We will not normalize relations with Cuba until Fidel Castro is cold in the ground. Strike the king, and you pay for the rest of your days. That's my theory and I'm sticking with it.

[TruBluKentuckian]

Amazes me when someone as close minded as you tells someone else to have an open mind.

I have an open mind, that's why I don't believe the Warren Commission's version of the story. I don't know what happened, but there was enough "strange" things going on to make one wonder.

Is that childish?

[discostu]

I checked it out on Amazon, it says the Warren Commision was right. The Warren Commision was not right. Oswald could NOT have made those shots, that bullet could NOT have made those bounces and ended up pristine.

You keep insisting the Oswald solution is the most simple yet you still haven't addressed the issues I've raised:
Why was he arrested twice on the day of the assassination
How could he have made those shots with the weapon we're told he did it with
How could any bullet have done that and come out looking so shiny and undented

What's childish is how you stated as a fact something very few people actually believed and the only "proof" you offer is telling people to go read a specific book. What's childish is that you need to resort to insults and bullying. Not believing the official government line when the official government line is obviously BS is the heart of Free Republic.

[tet68]

Clearly JAckie is the one doing the shooting, she's got the gun against his head, hidden by their bodies. Jack, drugged out on back medication, is in no postition to over come her
strangle hold on his wind pipe, then POW it's all over.

Any way we all know it was Johnson, Kennedy was going to wind down the war and LBJ needed it to keep the country's
mind off the Great Society scam.

Pink Grassy knoll bump.

And the Carcarno was not that inaccurate, seems they were used by the Italian Olympic team.

[discostu]

I think the single conspiracy theory is where people make their big mistake. We know from other things that have happened before and since that there's a block of the government that's desperate to "solve" high profile cases like assassinations and plane crashes. I think it's most likely that the group that killed Kennedy had little if anything to do with the group that decided Oswald would be the guy to go down for it. And there's always the lagging question: if it really was just a lonenut then why are the record sealed?

And anybody thinking big conspiracies are automatically unbelievable needs to look at the CIA declassified operations, they participated in some conspiracies much bigger than even the most fanciful outline presented by the JFK theorists. Or jump back to the OSS and checkout Paperclip.

[Az Joe]

The bullet was not in pristine condition. I feel no need to prove anything to you and I am not going to get into an endless debate with you. I have read many books and seen many documentaries on both sides of the issue: Conspiracy -No conspiracy. I have given you some good sources that have a different opinion than your own.


My judgement is that the most likely scenario was Oswald, acting alone. I'll stand by it until and if I see any further evidence brought forward to dispute that.

Happy conspirarizing

[discostu]

You started the thread and now you refuse to backup your claims?! How typical of a childish person.

The evidence is there: THE BULLET. No bullet ever could do what the Warren Commision says that bullet did and look the way it does. Unless you friend Posner presents some pretty remarkable physics caluculations that manage to prove the impossible then he's a moron.

And why are the records sealed. If the Commision got all the facts in order what reason could there possibly be to seal the records?

Happy ostriching.