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To: Stultis
The commonest reason to convert to Islam is that otherwise they will kill you. The next most common is people with resentments who see Islam as a means to gain power. The third most common is, frankly, kooks--like the kind of people who found Jim Jones appealing.

I don't know what Rivera's problem was.
5 posted on 11/18/2003 8:35:54 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cicero
I don't know what Rivera's problem was.

Pick any/all of the following:
Desire to --
1. Have up to four wives at once
2. Ability to just about divorce at will
3. Beat/dominate any female in his family that crossed him
4. Paradise and many virgins if killed in Jihad

Despite all the peaceful Muslims I've known and worked with, I have no illusions.
Those who truly embrace the written scripture of Islam probably are happy because
they've found a "religion" that can satiate lots of base desires.
13 posted on 11/18/2003 8:57:41 PM PST by VOA
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To: Cicero
CIA? What better way to get inside the chicken coop and get information?
14 posted on 11/18/2003 9:03:55 PM PST by WVNan
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To: Cicero
Ledesma became enamored with how Muslims stick to what the prophets practiced centuries ago, unlike he says how modern Christians improvised in their worship.

Actually, I think there's another reason. Christianity (thanks to Vatican II) seems to have become doctrine-free and has virtually no traditional public worship left. Islam is, of course, a fairly modern syncretist religion. But the destruction of Catholic tradition has left a massive void, particularly in traditionally Catholic peoples, and people will turn to anything rather than live with this hollowness at the center of their lives. Furthermore, Islamic missionary activity is extremely well funded, and is actively exploiting the weakness of modern Catholic Christianity.

32 posted on 11/19/2003 3:48:47 AM PST by livius
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To: Cicero
The commonest reason to convert to Islam is that otherwise they will kill you.

While true for the vast majority of cases, I can see other angles.

To my naughty mind, I see Islam as one of the pre-eminent "code of ethics
for thugs", with great appeal to men wishing to answer their baser instincts,
while having a veneer of religional respectibility with these sorts of positives:

Kill your infidels neighbors and take their stuff...even better,
enslave them and make them into an un-ending cash-flow system.

Have as many as four wives at once. And be able to divorce them at will and
cycle new sex-slaves, er, wives through the household.

What's not to like!? For males of baser instinct...

The one thing that I can't wrap my mind around is the female that would convert to Islam.
The desire for a long-term sado-masochistic relationship is about the
only explanation I can think of for a woman who willingly converts to Islam.


All-in-all, I am thankful that most Muslims are apostate. They are simply people
of fairly good will who either ignore or are ignorant of what is in the Koran/Hadith.

I fear the day they all become observant Muslims like Osama and the Palestinian terrorists.
48 posted on 12/21/2003 8:05:16 AM PST by VOA
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