[Yasotay]

In this forum you had better know what you are writing about ... YOUR statements are wrong! Having been a Company Commander in the Berlin Brigade I know how arrogant Germans can be (and wrongfully so), I bought a BMW (Buying Mediocre Work) from a US C.A.T. (Canadian Army Trophy) Commander (he took that company to war not to a game)... those "exercises" are a joke ... and do not NOT in ANY way reflect normal tank crews. Anyways, at that time the US was always winning that exercise. The Germans that went to the our training centers got "smoked" far worse then the Americans and as for the Dutch, they would probably go on strike. I'd like to see how the Dutch or Germans would do on Tank Tables V-VIII. BTW ... that CAT Company Commander killed a Tank Battalion on Medina Ridge during Desert Storm. How do you spell COMBAT EXPERIENCE? You can have the MBT 70 :)

[anotherGerman]

In this forum you had better know what you are writing about ... YOUR statements are wrong! Having been a Company Commander in the Berlin Brigade I know how arrogant Germans can be (and wrongfully so),

Wow, this is of course a classy statement full of truth. /sarcasm

"Anyways, at that time the US was always winning that exercise"

Which time? Here is some other proof:

"Mit den 3 Panzer-Typen M 48, LEOPARD 1 und 2 erreichtedie deutsche Panzertruppe in den 80er Jahren überdurchschnittliche Ausbildungsergebnisse und eine hohe Einsatzbereitschaft. Von 17 internationalen Schießwettbewerben um die Canadian Army Trophy konnte die deutsche Panzertruppe 10 Wettbewerbe gewinnen und 7 mal den zweiten Platzbelegen."

Meaning: "With the 3 tank types M48, Leopard 1 and 2 the German Tank Crews reached better than average results. Out of 17 CAT Trophys the Germans won 10 and were second in the other 7."

http://www.panzertruppe.com/I_PzTr/PzTr/pztr.html

"For example, German conscript units have won the famous Canadian army trophy in the armored vehicle competition more frequently than has any other NATO nation. The same applies to the Boeselager competition for armored reconnaissance troops. In the evaluation of the Commander, Stabilization Forces (SFOR), German units in Bosnia, also consisting of conscripts with prolonged time of service, are performing as well as the units of professional armies in the field."

http://www.ndu.edu/inss/strforum/SF164/forum164.html

I do of course admit that combat experience is VERY VERY important. Just don´t always go along and assume that Americans are best at everything. They are not. Neither are Germans.