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Massachusetts ruling for gay marriages fuel's New York advocates
AP Wire (breaking on live feed) | November 18, 2003 | MICHAEL GORMLEY

Posted on 11/18/2003 10:42:11 AM PST by NYer

ALBANY, N.Y. (AP) _ Tuesday's ruling by Massachusetts' highest court that same-sex couples are entitled to wed has energized the effort to make gay marriages legal in New York.

``For a lot of legislators who thought they wouldn't have to look at gay marriage for a decade or so ... this is certainly showing New York is behind where they should be in terms of granting full protection for all New Yorkers,'' said Alan Van Capelle, executive director of the Empire State Pride Agenda, the state's largest gay and lesbian lobbying group. Van Capelle said no special lawsuits are planned in New York seeking to replicate the Massachusetts court ruling, but he did say the ruling will likely fuel civil rights cases. He said gays and lesbians are being denied many of the legal and financial rights and benefits of marriage in New York and other states.

The gay rights lobbyist said decisions like the one Tuesday by the Massachusetts court, and earlier rulings in Vermont, Hawaii and Alaska, offer political cover for politicians reluctant to support gay marriages. But he said these rulings also often prompt a backlash from opponents. That came quickly on Tuesday in New York. ``These are assaults on our culture,'' said state Conservative Party Chairman Michael Long. ``It's an assault on what has been tradition since the beginning of mankind ... So why not recognize three people or four people to be married? Once you go over that line ... you will finish the family structure.''

Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver, a Manhattan Democrat, said in an interview on WROW-AM radio in Albany that he was unsure if New York's constitution could be interpreted the way the Massachusetts court interpreted its state constitution.

There was no immediate comment from state Senate Majority Leader Joseph Bruno, a Rensselaer County Republican. Republican Gov. George Pataki hasn't seen details of the decision and it would be premature to comment, said spokesman Joseph Conway.

Van Capelle predicted Tuesday's decision will be a turning point for gay marriages. It will also increase the number of gay New Yorkers marrying in other states and in Canada and will put pressure on state government, which usually recognizes marriage licenses issued out of state, he added. ``Ten years from now, people will be asking you where you were on Nov. 18 when this decision came down,'' Van Capelle said.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Massachusetts; US: New York
KEYWORDS: gay; glbt; goodridge; homosexual; homosexualagenda; lesbian; marriage; odonnel
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To: MHGinTN
7 of the 9 Justices on the US Supreme Court (which struck down sodomy laws this year) were appointed by Republican presidents; 5 of the 7 members of the Massachusetts Supreme Court were appointed by Republican Governors.
21 posted on 11/19/2003 8:33:54 AM PST by jackson17 (Like Gay Marriage? Vote Republican!)
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To: jackson17
This just points out the importance of We The People becoming more involved in the national debates, asserting our sovereignty as the true 'rulers' of this Republic. The judges who create law from the bench should be impeached and removed, and that is a function of our legislatures who should be acting according to our expressed demands on them and the control over the activist judiciary. It would not take too many impeachements and removals to stop this malignant activism from the leftist societal engineering benches. To journey along this road, fewer seated leftist, socialist, democrat leaders will have to be accomplished ... through the voting process. One need only read up on the Florida Representative, Alcee Hastings, to see why the number of democrtas must be reduced in order to bring the activist judiciary under control!
22 posted on 11/19/2003 9:44:41 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Darkbloom
Kind of like "back to Africa", eh?

If it is your goal to link homosexuals with blacks, you should take that up with the black community. As for me, until they find a way to identify whether a corpse was gay or straight, I'll continue to see homosexuality as a behavior.

Nobody has any more right to be gay than to be homophobic.

Shalom.

26 posted on 11/21/2003 5:14:06 AM PST by ArGee (Scientific reasoning makes it easier to support gross immorality.)
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To: Darkbloom
Then again, I think your idea has a lot of merit. We could, for example, take all those who think religion should rule the nation and pay their expenses to move to Iran.

They might be happy that way, since you are mostly talking about Muslims. There are few if any Christians who think that.

There are Christians whose worldview is colored by their faith, but they still believe that what they believe is true and obvious to anyone who can reason.

Shalom.

27 posted on 11/21/2003 5:15:32 AM PST by ArGee (Scientific reasoning makes it easier to support gross immorality.)
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To: Darkbloom
I guess it's just that the few who do spend a huge amount of their time posting on FR.

Feel free to find a post where Christians are trying to install religion into U.S. law. They are trying to maintain prohibitions against homosexual sex, but these are for pragmatic reasons. They will cite the Bible for other Christians, but the pragmatic reasons to keep homosexual behavior illegal are well documented here. (Note, not to make it illegal but to keep it illegal.)

It's the pro-gays who are writing laws to force you to accept their beliefs, not the Christians.

Shalom.

29 posted on 11/21/2003 6:47:08 AM PST by ArGee (Scientific reasoning makes it easier to support gross immorality.)
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To: Darkbloom
Dude, please read the posts you respond to.

Christians aren't trying to make homosexual behavior illegal, they are trying to keep it illegal. It's the queers who are trying to change the law. As I pointed out in the post to which you replied, Christians do quote the Bible to other believers, but you don't have to look far to see the scientific and medical reasons for keeping homosexuality illegal posted by Christians on this board.

Just because Biblical values happen to line up with reality doesn't mean that attempting to legislate reality is an effort to create a theocracy.

Shalom.

31 posted on 11/21/2003 7:18:03 AM PST by ArGee (Scientific reasoning makes it easier to support gross immorality.)
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To: Darkbloom
You seem to be a firm believer in the bedroom police.

Nice strawman. Homosexuality was illegal in nearly every state of the Union for most of our country's history and we never had a bedroom police. Bedroom police is a bogeyman created by people who've run out of arguments.

Since you seem to prefer regurgitating rubbish rather than thinking about the subject, think about this.

If homosexuality is only about what people do in private, why does it keep getting on the news?

In the future, engage your brain before posting on FR.

Shalom.

33 posted on 11/21/2003 10:32:11 AM PST by ArGee (Scientific reasoning makes it easier to support gross immorality.)
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