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France Laments The Decline Of Its Grandeur ... Again
Washington Times, AP ^ | November 16, 2003 | Jamey Keaten

Posted on 11/16/2003 7:44:43 PM PST by Ex-Dem

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:40:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

PARIS

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtontimes.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: france; schadenfreude; schadenfrog

1 posted on 11/16/2003 7:44:44 PM PST by Ex-Dem
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To: Ex-Dem
    PARIS - It's an age-old lament: French grandeur is fading.
    These days, it isn't Americans bad-mouthing France over Iraq, but France's own Cassandras who are churning out best sellers suggesting the country is in economic and political decline.
    They point to a host of warning signs: high deficits, intractable unemployment, stunted economic growth, diplomatic setbacks.
    They worry about France's increasingly alienated Muslim minority and the resurgence of attacks on its Jewish minority. Even the killer heat wave over the summer has fed the feeling of malaise.
    Navel-gazing is never out of vogue in France, and Prime Minister Jean-Pierre Raffarin has dismissed the latest bout as intellectual rabble-rousing. President Jacques Chirac, asked about it on television, took the opportunity to deliver a short pep talk to the nation.
    "I'm surprised to see how in moments of a little difficulty, this movement comes back in such a powerful way," Mr. Chirac said. "We can overcome all difficulties."
    Measuring "decline" is far from an exact science. For every negative statistic pointing to doom-and-gloom, others show France is not so badly off.
    Its universal health care system is widely praised, even if the death of thousands of elderly last summer was attributed to hospitals with no air conditioning and a paucity of health care workers, who vacation en masse each August.
    Today's France is more than baguettes, berets, chateaux and wine: It's a nuclear power and one of the world's five largest economies.
    It makes Airbus planes and 180-mph passenger trains. Despite periodic flare-ups of indignation over the encroachments of English, the language of France is still spoken by 129 million people globally.
    Yet to glance in bookstores these days and see titles referring variously to French arrogance, decline or disarray, one might think no one has a good word to say about la belle France.
    The biggest best seller is "La France Qui Tombe" ("France is Falling"), a withering critique by lawyer and economist Nicolas Baverez.
    In his book, subtitled "A Clinical Report of French Decline," Mr. Baverez argues the French work ethic has weakened, the best scientific and entrepreneurial minds are fleeing the country, the French own too few home computers and they are too apt to go on strike at the first whiff of belt-tightening.
    Gripped by bureaucratic rigidity, France has failed to liberalize its economy and is becoming "an industrial and entrepreneurial desert," Mr. Baverez writes. He cites figures showing that new business creation has fallen 2 percent a year since the late '80s, and that last year the country of 60 million people had more bankruptcies than the United States.
    The discontent expressed by Mr. Baverez is indeed in large part about the economy. The troubles are social, too.
    The crisis of confidence heightened in August when, according to the government, nearly 15,000 people died in a heat wave. Many blamed government ineptitude for the failure of health services to cope.
    The growth of a largely alienated Muslim minority, and the stunning gains of Jean-Marie Le Pen's extreme nationalist, anti-immigrant party in last year's presidential election further dampened the mood.
    France, 90 percent Roman Catholic, has Western Europe's largest Muslim and Jewish minorities and has problems with both. It is accused of failing to come to terms with its World War II government's collaboration with the Nazis, and of denying the Muslim population of 5 million its rightful place in French society.
    Several best sellers track the rise of Islamic militancy in France, while Alain Finkielkraut, a leading French Jewish scholar, explores the fears of France's 600,000 Jews who feel besieged by an upsurge in anti-Semitic violence and intellectual hostility.
    In a book subtitled "Reflections on the Coming Anti-Semitism," he writes: "Jews have a heavy heart and, for the first time since the war, they are afraid."
    France has certainly not been behaving like a declining power. It went toe-to-toe with the United States over Iraq; injected its army into the civil war in Ivory Coast, pride of its former African empire; and claims a leading role in the prosperous European Union.
    But the Americans went ahead with their war in Iraq, and France's troubled economy weakens its claim to pre-eminence in Europe.
    While many in France feel gratitude for the sacrifices of American military on French battlefields in the two world wars, anti-American sentiment — part jealousy, part visceral distaste for U.S. policies and culture — remains an undercurrent.
    "The obsession about status, the hatred of decline, the worry about grandeur: These are the guiding principles of French foreign policy. ... But when there aren't the means to back [them] up, it's just ridiculous," wrote Romain Gubert and Emmanuel Saint-Martin in "French Arrogance," another of the best sellers.
    
2 posted on 11/16/2003 7:46:25 PM PST by Ex-Dem (not just another brick in the wall)
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"They worry about France's increasingly alienated Muslim minority and the resurgence of attacks on its Jewish minority."

If they're worried now--wait 'til the Muslims reach a majority!

"France, 90 percent Roman Catholic, has Western Europe's largest Muslim and Jewish minorities and has problems with both."

Yes, one is blowing up the other.

"Its universal health care system is widely praised, even if the death of thousands of elderly last summer was attributed to hospitals with no air conditioning and a paucity of health care workers, who vacation en masse each August."

"nearly 15,000 people died in a heat wave. Many blamed government ineptitude for the failure of health services to cope."

"Its universal health care system is widely praised"--??? Is this from The Onion???

The people of France would be wise to join forces--economically, politically, and militarily--with their oldest ally, les Etats-Unis!

La belle France has lost her way--temporarily we hope--and is trapped in a quagmire of decadence, pessimism, confusion, self-doubt, socialism, and anti-Americanism. The American Heartland and President Bush offer a way out--if they could only think clearly enough to take it!

3 posted on 11/16/2003 8:19:51 PM PST by Savage Beast (This is the choice: confrontation or capitulation. Appeasement is capitulation.)
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To: Ex-Dem
Meanwhile, in America, "Liberals" and Democrats are working night and day to force Americans down the same path of self-destruction and decadence that France has taken!

And millions of Americans are stupid enough to let them do it!

4 posted on 11/16/2003 8:22:39 PM PST by Savage Beast (This is the choice: confrontation or capitulation. Appeasement is capitulation.)
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To: Savage Beast
Actually, health care in France is quite good, especially in comparison to the rest of Europe and Canada. Much of this is due to the existence of supplemental private insurance, which doesn't exist in England, for example. The problem this summer has a lot to do with the 35-hour work week, and a general sense of society not assuming any sense of individual responsibility ( a common fault in socialist societies; after all, the government "takes care of everything", so how could anything be the fault of any one person? ).
5 posted on 11/16/2003 8:25:38 PM PST by austinTparty
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To: Ex-Dem
France has been going downhill for a long time now, but I'd say at this point it's irreversible.
6 posted on 11/16/2003 8:42:55 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Ex-Dem
What is "France"?
7 posted on 11/16/2003 8:57:44 PM PST by pogo101
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To: Ex-Dem
I am lammenting my eyes, my eyes... I've gone blind!!
8 posted on 11/16/2003 8:58:53 PM PST by Porterville (Grow some leather or go away.)
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To: Ex-Dem
anti-American sentiment--part jealousy, part visceral distaste for U.S. policies and culture

It seems to me that the French distaste for U.S. policies and culture are themselves rooted in jealousy.

10 posted on 11/16/2003 9:12:09 PM PST by Physicist
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To: Ex-Dem
bump for a pleasent morning read
11 posted on 11/16/2003 9:16:45 PM PST by knews_hound (Out of the NIC ,into the Router, out to the Cloud....Nothing but 'Net)
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To: Ex-Dem

"Vivan las caenas!"

12 posted on 11/16/2003 9:23:23 PM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: Ex-Dem
The nasty French and the musli deserve each other. Sadly, the nice people of France don't deserve what will eventuate.
13 posted on 11/16/2003 9:28:34 PM PST by 185JHP ( PepsiOne for the men. Tab for the horses.)
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To: Ex-Dem
Even the killer heat wave over the summer has fed the feeling of malaise... President Jacques Chirac... took the opportunity to deliver a short pep talk to the nation.

Chirac can do another little fireside TV peptalk this winter. Jimmy Carter has a brown sweater he can lend him.

Why, it shouldn't be long before Chirac is awarded the Nobel Peace Prize too. Then he, Carter and Arafat can mull about their mutual malaise.

14 posted on 11/16/2003 9:39:22 PM PST by DeFault User
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To: austinTparty
Yes, I'm about to stop worrying about the cost of prescription drugs. That'll be a nice bit of change in my pocket--might even be a major expense that I will be able to aviod.

The problem is that it's insidious. In small increments, everyone begins to depend on the government. The government grows bigger and bigger and inevitably more controlling and tyrranical, as the people become less and less self-reliant. Inevitably a crisis point is passed, and the system breaks; the economy fails; government is taken over by brutes; the people are prey to tyrants, domestic and foreign.

Socialism does not work. This has been demonstrated time and again, but many people simply don't believe it--or don't care as long as their immediate needs are met.

15 posted on 11/17/2003 6:36:29 AM PST by Savage Beast (This is the choice: confrontation or capitulation. Appeasement is capitulation.)
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