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The Book of Genesis presents a disturbing problem for many Bible-believing Christians. Did God really create the heaven and the earth in just six 24-hour days? How does a serious student of the Torah - the five books of Moses - reconcile the Genesis account with the "billions of years" encountered in the dictums of astronomy, geology, et al?
1 posted on 11/15/2003 10:50:05 PM PST by bondserv
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2 posted on 11/15/2003 10:51:34 PM PST by bondserv (Alignment is critical.)
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To: bondserv
So do you think our Heavenly Father knew that so many Christians would have a disturbing problem with that book of Genesis?

Maybe the problem is reading without understanding. No where does it say how old the heavens or earth are.

1 day for the Heavenly Father is described as a thousand years for man.

3 posted on 11/15/2003 10:58:43 PM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: bondserv
A little logical sleight of hand...

And there are really only two world-views: either everything - including you - is the result of some kind of cosmic accident, or this is all the result of a deliberate design by a Designer.

Oh, but what he wants you to believe is far more specific than that, isn't it? Either everything - including you - is the result of some kind of cosmic accident, or the book of Genesis is absolutely literally true, right down to the six literal twenty-four hour days, as we ordinarily understand "days" to mean. And I'll lay money down right now that most people will reject that out of hand as a false dichotomy. There is a middle ground, inhabited by far more people than you will find on either end of that supposedly binary choice.

4 posted on 11/15/2003 11:01:37 PM PST by general_re (Me and my vortex, we got a real good thing....)
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I hate to say it, but it all depends on what the meaning of the word "day" is. If your beliefs (or metaphorical license) can bend the meaning of "day" to mean billions of years, then the creation story sort of works. But science says it "really" took billions of years.

5 posted on 11/15/2003 11:04:16 PM PST by AZLiberty (Where Arizona turns for dry humor)
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To: bondserv
YEC SPOTREP
6 posted on 11/15/2003 11:06:40 PM PST by LiteKeeper
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To: bondserv
There are four basic questions that confront all of us: Who am I? Where did I come from? Why am I here? Where am I going when I die?

There are only three:

When's dinner? What is it? Where do I sleep?

7 posted on 11/15/2003 11:07:18 PM PST by Old Professer
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To: bondserv
Excellent article.

I truly believe that as true science advances (not science-like beliefs), it will point to Him.

Actually, all you have to do is look at the machine you are inhabiting. Did it happen by accident? It is a statistical impossibility.
8 posted on 11/15/2003 11:08:28 PM PST by dmanLA
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To: bondserv
I know very little about bible and even less about physics. I am just curious why Lord would express himself in terms of rotation of planet Earth? It is very difficult for me to believe that the six days of creation talk about time in terms of rotation of a single planet around it's axis.
9 posted on 11/15/2003 11:09:47 PM PST by bluejay
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To: bondserv
Science is all man-made; given enough rope man will always kill himself because of the sin nature. If Satan can cause the slightest doubt in the Bible, he has won. Why can the world not have been created in 6 days (literal days); it is only recently that this is doubted more, as man has become "smarter" and become more like gods.
If you cannot believe the literal words in Genesis; how can you believe the literal words of a virgin birth and the literal words of a resurrected Saviour--just what the devil wants you to question. If you question the last 2, you will get to ponder these questions with him (Satan) for eternity...just something to think about for now
10 posted on 11/15/2003 11:15:36 PM PST by rebel85
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To: bondserv
There are four basic questions that confront all of us

1) What happened to Chuck Missler's brain?

2) Why does anyone listen to his tomfoolery?

3) Does anyone actually buy the tapes and books hawked by this ignoramus?

4) What is that weird weed that's taking over my backyard?

13 posted on 11/15/2003 11:19:56 PM PST by WackyKat
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To: bondserv
Genesis is very clear, everything was created mature. The egg was in the chicken, the fruit was on the tree, and Adam did not have a childhood.
16 posted on 11/15/2003 11:30:11 PM PST by MissAmericanPie
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Surprisingly, there are some cosmologists that are (again) beginning to suspect that the universe may be geocentric after all!

The lunatics apparently have begun running the asylum.
19 posted on 11/15/2003 11:38:01 PM PST by TheAngryClam (Don't blame me, I voted for McClintock.)
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To: bondserv
This issue is not that great when we stop using ourselves and the world around us as markers.If we accept God as a
genetisist, then the ability to populate the earth in seven days is easy.....the DNA match between man and animals is so close that all things are possible. Within the space of 100 yrs man as we know him today will be capable of generating thousands of species in vitrio.
21 posted on 11/15/2003 11:44:58 PM PST by ijcr (Age and treachery will always overcome youth and ability.)
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To: bondserv; Campion; Hermann the Cherusker; narses; HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity; Catholicguy; ...
The account of God accomplishing his work in six days (and therefore resting on the 7th) is a prophecy of the Crucifixion and the subsequent entombment of Jesus. You are wasting your time chasing biblical interpretations as natural science and not as prophetic references to Christ's mission.
22 posted on 11/15/2003 11:45:35 PM PST by Romulus (Nothing really good ever happened after 1789.)
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To: bondserv
10. Any radio ham that has had to tune an antenna array knows about the 377 ohms.
11. It has been estimated at a staggering 1.071 x 10117 kilowatts per square meter!

What in the world do these mean?

By the way, 1.071 x 10117 = 10288.989 kW/ square meter. Why not just say that?

23 posted on 11/15/2003 11:46:00 PM PST by Diddley (Oh, what a web we weave, when ...)
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To: bondserv
Could someone decipher this for me?
One of the many advantages that 20th century science has given us is that, thanks to Dr. Albert Einstein's brilliant discoveries, we now know that time is a physical property and is subject to mass, acceleration, and gravity. We have come to realize that we live in a four-dimensional continuum properly known as "space-time." (This is what Paul seems to imply in his letter to the Ephesians!8) It is interesting that when one takes the apparent 10^12 expansion factor involved in the theories of the "expanding universe," that an assumed 16 billion years reduce to six days!

Not only have recent scientific articles highlighted the discoveries that the speed of light has changed over the centuries ... Say what?

26 posted on 11/15/2003 11:58:35 PM PST by Diddley (Oh, what a web we weave, when ...)
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The universe eternally is being created
and there are 6 days.
Today is the first day of creation.
30 posted on 11/16/2003 12:09:40 AM PST by Allan
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To: bondserv
There are other questions that arise from the Genesis narrative. When was the earth created? It seems to have preceded the rest of the universe. Surprisingly, there are some cosmologists that are (again) beginning to suspect that the universe may be geocentric after all!
HUH? Can you name 137 cosmologists (or one) who state that?

How did plants (3rd day) flourish without the sun's photosynthesis (4th day)?
And the answer is?

32 posted on 11/16/2003 12:11:32 AM PST by Diddley (Oh, what a web we weave, when ...)
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To: bondserv
Yeah, and Noah's flood was more a result of global warming than forty days and nights of rain. I have always been comfortable with not taking the Old Testament too literally. It may have been inspired by God, but it was written by man. In reference to time differences, I always questioned the 6-day creation, as well as Methusalem (sp?) living to what -- 3 or 4 hundred years of age?

I also can't see myself as a Christian going out and killing homosexuals as some scripture somewhere in the Old Testament commands.

The Old Testament says not to eat pork, but the New Testament says it's o-k now (I always attributed that to better cooking methods that discouraged disease). But that always made me wonder what other things have progressed beyond the Old Testament that no one addressed in the New Testament.

There are lot of things I question, but that's where faith steps in and I accept that I don't have to have all the answers in order to believe.

41 posted on 11/16/2003 12:28:44 AM PST by bjcintennessee (Don't Sweat the Small Stuff)
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To: bondserv
How does a serious student of the Torah - the five books of Moses - reconcile the Genesis account with the "billions of years" encountered in the dictums of astronomy, geology, et al?

Simple. The overwhelming evidence from God's second revelation, creation, shows that the universe is billions of years old. Hence, God's first revelation, Scripture, must not be speaking literally of 144-hour days. We're not talking evolution here, we're simply talking about the age of the universe.

Now whether Genesis 1 is fully allegorical or using a day/age convention is worth studying. Regardless, the most important part of the chapter is its first four words: "In the beginning, God...".

This article is literally full of factual misunderstanding of science. If you're going to refute what science has to say about creation, you'd better understand what it says first. Furthermore, virtually all of the claims posited in the text have been thoroughly refuted by science. For example, the "changing speed of light" argument has been rather trivially refuted by examining other properties of distant starlight, such as its Doppler shift.

Honestly I have more trouble with Noah's Ark than Genesis 1.

46 posted on 11/16/2003 12:50:17 AM PST by mcg1969
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