Why Six Days? (Six Days of Creation, Literal Days or Era's.

Koinonia House ^ | 11/15/2003 | Dr. Chuck Missler

[agrace]

But didn't that happen that same day?

[MEGoody]

"Can we say.. DECEPTION? (and a VERY short attention span!)"

Ah, perhaps that is it. Those who try to claim the two accounts are contradictory (or two separate creations - I've heard that one before too) are simply trying to be deceptive.

Or perhaps they cannot retain enough information from one account to another to be able discern that the only difference is focus.

[Elsie]

Dang!

Why didn't I see that?

It's really so simple.............

[Elsie]

Please clarify your position....

Good luck...............

[Elsie]

Well then: since even the great Roman Empire was drawn into His influence, just what DO you believe has caused the obviously illogical following of so many people (in the first century --dang! I can't even get away from Him there...) to worship and adore a blatent fabrication?

I interpret you argument as: since there are a lot of Christian, Christianity must be more correct. I do not agree with that premise. 

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Why do you have to INTERPRET anything??

 

I HIGHLIGHTED your words and asked about them --> just what DO you believe <-- that's it; the original, the only.  Everything else I've posted has just added to the confusion.

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Your reply to 247 stated that followers of Christianity are better then followers of Buddhism and Islam.

 

No.. I did not.

 

Is English not your first language?

[Elsie]

No, the spiritual death didn't occur until after God pronounced judgement and removed them both from the garden. Until the curse, there was no death. Genesis 3:19

Thank you Satan, for clearing this up.

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Hear the very words of GOD!

 

 

NIV Genesis 2:16-17
 16.  And the LORD God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden;
 17.  but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."

 

Genesis 3

 1.  Now the serpent was more crafty than any of the wild animals the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, "Did God really say, `You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?"
 2.  The woman said to the serpent, "We may eat fruit from the trees in the garden,
 3.  but God did say, `You must not eat fruit from the tree that is in the middle of the garden, and you must not touch it, or you will die.'"
 4.  "You will not surely die," the serpent said to the woman.
 5.  "For God knows that when you eat of it your eyes will be opened, and you will be like God, knowing good and evil."
 6.  When the woman saw that the fruit of the tree was good for food and pleasing to the eye, and also desirable for gaining wisdom, she took some and ate it. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate it.

 

 

NIV Genesis 3:22-23
 22.  And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."  (to avoid the death that is NOW on him!)
 23.  So the LORD God banished him from the Garden of Eden to work the ground from which he had been taken.

[safisoft]

How long did it take you

Once you have the alef bet down, you will be surprised how much you can sound out - then you will be READING it!. Hebrew reads phonetically.

Shalom!

[Markofhumanfeet]

Excellent good bondserv! Your posts are always thoughtful, deep and rewarding. :) I will leave you to your repose now. But like Columbo, I have to come back and ask "Is it evening or is it morning, of the sixth day? (I don't know)

[Markofhumanfeet]

No doubt I was thinking of "perp" as in AMW. It's walking about in these sandals that causes it.

[Markofhumanfeet]

Thy politeness is very unusual in this country. Alas the saying is from an old Hebrew commentary I found in the park. I will go see if I can find the page again to see just what text it refers unto. Peace and perspicacity to you.

[Just mythoughts]

I don't need a lecture about how to read the ORIGINAL TEXT. Obviously you know that there were TWO days of creating "man in the flesh" else you would have stayed with exactly what the ORIGINAL HEBREW "LOCKED" IN says.

I KNOW that in Genesis 1:2 that "WAS" should be "BECAME". I also know the Genesis 1:2 is described by Jeremiah, that "special" one, the one our Heavenly Father told he foreknew before he was ever in his mother's womb, that one who tells the story of the "overthrow" prior to "man in the flesh" being created. (Jeremiah 4) Jeremiah 23 paints what our Heavenly Father thinks of some.

Jeremiah 24 is also an interesting read and gives some insight about that Garden of EDEN.

There are many places in the WHOLE BIBLE that gives a "glimpse" for those of us in the FLESH to understand those first "6" Chapters of GENESIS. Christ Himself had a few things to tell about the GARDEN PARTY. Parable of FIG Tree for starters. Parable of Sower gives another INSIGHT.

I also know that "the Adam" is not the same as the "man" in the 1st Chapter.

Exodus 31:15-17 Repeats that Commandment regarding the 7th day of Creation which our Heavenly Father "RESTED", thus we are to "REMEMBER", IT is a sign between ME and the CHILDREN of ISRAEL "FOR EVER".

The subject is not the "Creation" of "man" in the flesh. "6" days our Heavenly Father WORKED then "RESTED" on the 7th.

Changing the subject about exactly what story is told in the ORIGINAL TEXT, LOCKED in so NO 'MAN' can change is TELLING.

[Just mythoughts]

I am not ignoring you have not had time to respond, but will get back to you.

[Just mythoughts]

Now if you have followed what I have said and because of the fact that we are not told exactly how long "days" of creation were that "man in the flesh" could be or might be up to 12,000 + years old.

I don't know because we are not told exactly the time span of these days, so it does not bother me that I don't know yet.

I can only go on what is said and what is "locked" in via the MASSORAH. I do not read "original" Hebrew but know how to look up the meaning of words "man" has been allowed to place there.

The Chinese claim to have history which if "TRUE" predates 6,000 years of 'man'. Keeping that in mind if "TRUE" would tell more about the length of those "days".

[azhenfud]

Could have been, but I think there was a span of some time between the actual deed of disobedience and the curse of judgement; consider God walking in "the cool of the day". Possibly morning of the next day? I don't know....

[azhenfud]

"Thank you Satan, for clearing this up."

So Elsie, because you disagree with my understanding of Genesis 3:19, you consider me "SATAN"?

[azhenfud]

Well, I'd like you to know you've some interesting views and I intend to give them more serious thought....

[Elsie]

So Elsie, because you disagree with my understanding of Genesis 3:19, you consider me "SATAN"?

 

I merely pointed out that Gen 2:17 preceded 3:19.........

 

No, YOU are not Satan,  (I just KNEW I'd probably ruffle yer feathers ;^), but the IDEA is.

 

 

Even PETER had Jesus saying this type of thing in his direction:

NIV Matthew 16:21-23
 21.  From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life.
 22.  Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him. "Never, Lord!" he said. "This shall never happen to you!"
 23.  Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the things of God, but the things of men."

 

NIV Mark 8:31-33
 31.  He then began to teach them that the Son of Man must suffer many things and be rejected by the elders, chief priests and teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and after three days rise again.
 32.  He spoke plainly about this, and Peter took him aside and began to rebuke him.
 33.  But when Jesus turned and looked at his disciples, he rebuked Peter. "Get behind me, Satan!" he said.

We've all seen the cartoon of a little devil on one shoulder and a small angel on the other, giving conflicting information to the poor human, who is always in a dilemma as to what is the right course of action.

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When Satan asked Eve if GOD said this:

"Did God really say, `You must not eat from any tree in the garden'?",

he KNEW that GOD had NOT said that exact sentence.  So Eve was set up to reply that GOD had not said it: but, she did NOT repeat back to Satan what GOD DID say! 

 

By not using 'the Word of God', she manages to fumble around and add her own spin "and not TOUCH it, either" which got her in FURTHER trouble by attributing THOSE WORDS to GOD, which in fact, they were not.

 

It is VERY important to know EXACTLY what was said by God, don't you think? 

 

So when Peter, who had just been told, BY JESUS HIMSELF what MUST happen, he in effect calls Jesus a liar.

 

Jesus, knowing who put those thoughts into his mind so they'd come out his mouth, talked directly to the one who had influenced him.

 

That is why I posted what I did, using your name, but it was directed at the one would will try, by any means possible, to keep us from hearing GOD's clear voice to us.

 

1 Peter 4:7-11
 7.  The end of all things is near. Therefore be clear minded and self-controlled so that you can pray.
 8.  Above all, love each other deeply, because love covers over a multitude of sins.
 9.  Offer hospitality to one another without grumbling.
 10.  Each one should use whatever gift he has received to serve others, faithfully administering God's grace in its various forms.
 11.  If anyone speaks, he should do it as one speaking the very words of God. If anyone serves, he should do it with the strength God provides, so that in all things God may be praised through Jesus Christ. To him be the glory and the power for ever and ever. Amen.

[bluejay]

HIGHLIGHTED your words and asked about them --> just what DO you believe <-- that's it; the original, the only. Everything else I've posted has just added to the confusion.

I think I should be asking this question to you. What do you think made you believe in Christianity? If you like, I can answer what makes me believe in Judaism. We could ask a Muslim and a Buddhist what caused them to believe in their respective religions.

A more direct response would be - I have no idea what makes other people believe in things I do not. (Quite frankly, most times I don’t care why people choose to believe in things I do not.) As long as I am free to practice my faith, I have no objections to other people, peacefully, practicing theirs.

Your reply to 247 stated that followers of Christianity are better then followers of Buddhism and Islam.

No.. I did not.

I beg to differ. Your post 250 stated (with regard to the two religions):

Rational, freedom loving followers. Our God isn't capricious.

Finally, in answer to your question:

Is English not your first language?

Actually, its not my first language. But I think I do quite well with what little I've learned.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

AMW?

[Elsie]

I beg to differ. Your post 250 stated (with regard to the two religions):

UHhh....

BONDSERV posted that: not me...........