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USA Fair Trade ^ | 11/15/03 | cp124

Posted on 11/15/2003 6:30:03 AM PST by cp124

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To: cp124
Find. Just factor in the cost of labor (union or non-union) into the equation.
21 posted on 11/15/2003 7:14:07 AM PST by hflynn
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To: cp124
We service and sell to manufacturers.

You are being coy again.

You didn't answer my question.

I will ask it again:

If your customers' businesses are getting their asses kicked by WalMart, then they aren't buying as much from you, are they?

22 posted on 11/15/2003 7:15:43 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: cp124
You Willie Green people NEVER take into account the humongous U.S. tax burden or the lunatic environmental and zoning regulations that force companies to go overseas.

Do you want to do business in America when a third of your profits is confiscated for taxes, state taxes, worker's compensation and unemployment costs?

23 posted on 11/15/2003 7:20:49 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: cp124
Why you are such an idiot is this:

There is nothing "Free Market" about pitting the living standards of one nation against that of another...

Chinese workers manufacturing consumer products at wages that prohibit them from purchasing those consumer products is nothing but PURE THIEVERY.

It is the extraction of American Wealth - and eventually enough of us will wake up to that fact and exact a murderous rage upon you TRAITORS.

24 posted on 11/15/2003 7:22:00 AM PST by StatesEnemy
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To: cp124
Capitalism is our blessing and our curse. It is what made us as great as we are and it is what will destroy us. Capitalism is based on greed: the desire to have more; the desire to succeed. How can we blame greedy businesses who are following their greedy instincts and moving overseas? They are doing what every other American would do; looking after themselves first. To h@ll with America, they think: I can be rich using slave labor overseas. Those who stay here are using the plentiful supply of Mexicans coming in for just that reason. America is based on greed and it is now DESTROYING us. Face the truth.
25 posted on 11/15/2003 7:26:06 AM PST by Merdoug
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To: cp124
Hey look at the bright side. Our economy will be a huge call center taking porn orders!!
26 posted on 11/15/2003 7:26:10 AM PST by ServesURight
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To: cp124
Our manufacturing capacity is vaporizing before our eyes.

If that's the case, then why has domestic manufacturing output been rising for the last decade?

27 posted on 11/15/2003 7:29:53 AM PST by general_re (Power Vortices for all!)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Our customers and thier customers are buying from and outsourced to factorys built in China, Mexico, India, etc. Our customers are companies like GE, Fairchild Semiconductor, General Dynamics, US Government.
28 posted on 11/15/2003 7:31:11 AM PST by cp124 (The Great Wall Mart)
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To: cp124
George Bush believes in free (and unfair) trade regardless of the outcome.

Dubya's been getting some serious grief for the steel tariffs.

29 posted on 11/15/2003 7:31:23 AM PST by Tribune7 (It's not like he let his secretary drown in his car or something.)
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To: general_re
clarify statement
30 posted on 11/15/2003 7:31:57 AM PST by cp124 (The Great Wall Mart)
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To: cp124
If I take my product and eliminate the American workers, sell my plant and equipment (or ship the equipment to China) my cost for finished goods drops by what 40%, 50%, and 60%? My company makes a big buck. Wall Street is joyous; the stock shoots up……along with unemployment. Gone are the manufacturing jobs. Gone is the consumer purchasing power. Gone is your business or your job. At the end of the day a few get rich. As for the USA… we spiral downward

I will not own a stock that manufacturers in China. I will not own a stock of a company that is using labor in foreign countries. If everyone would sell stock in those companies and refuse to buy these stocks that would send a message. Until then, expect these companies and their CEOs to continue to create jobs abroad. These CEOs and their boards are choosing to invest in foreign countries at the expense of Americans who need jobs!

31 posted on 11/15/2003 7:32:12 AM PST by TrueBeliever9
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To: StatesEnemy
i It is the extraction of American Wealth - and eventually enough of us will wake up to that fact and exact a murderous rage upon you TRAITORS.

That Sir is EXACTLY right ... I am living that nightmare now ... as I sell off at a lose the last of what I worked for all my life ... that rage swells

32 posted on 11/15/2003 7:32:15 AM PST by clamper1797 (Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
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To: cp124
Then running it with .90 Cents an hour wages, no OSHA, no EPA, no Workman’s Comp. no out of control tort system, no Disabilities ACT or countless other government mandated added costs beyond your control.

Get rid of the over-regulation and other government-mandated costs and the wage difference will not be enough to make the Chinese competitive. That difference is minimal when the cost of shipping is added in. We have over-regulated our own industries out of existance. That is our biggest problem.

33 posted on 11/15/2003 7:32:30 AM PST by meyer (Hint: Pulp Fiction)
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To: Tribune7
That was a Rove move. Political.
34 posted on 11/15/2003 7:32:39 AM PST by cp124 (The Great Wall Mart)
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To: clamper1797
as I sell off at a lose = as I sell off at a loss
35 posted on 11/15/2003 7:32:54 AM PST by clamper1797 (Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
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To: r411
Alexander Hamilton, Report on Manufactures

"It is not uncommon to meet with an opinion that though the promoting of manufactures may be the interest of a part of the Union, it is contrary to that of another part. The Northern & southern regions are sometimes represented as having adverse interests in this respect. Those are called Manufacturing, these Agricultural states; and a species of opposition is imagined to subsist between the Manufacturing and Agricultural interests.

"This idea of an opposition between those two interests is the common error of the early periods of every country, but experience gradually dissipates it. Indeed they are perceived so often to succour and to befriend each other, that they come at length to be considered as one: a supposition which has been frequently abused and is not universally true.

"Particular encouragements of particular manufactures may be of a Nature to sacrifice the interests of landholders to those of manufacturers; But it is nevertheless a maxim well established by experience, and generally acknowledged, where there has been sufficient experience, that the aggregate prosperity of manufactures, and the aggregate prosperity of Agriculture are intimately connected.

" In the Course of the discussion which has had place, various weighty considerations have been adduced operating in support of that maxim. Perhaps the superior steadiness of the demand of a domestic market for the surplus produce of the soil, is alone a convincing argument of its truth.

Ideas of a contrariety of interests between the Northern and southern regions of the Union, are in the Main as unfounded as they are mischievous. The diversity of Circumstances on which such contrariety is usually predicated, authorizes a directly contrary conclusion. Mutual wants constitute one of the strongest links of political connection, and the extent of these bears a natural proportion to the diversity in the means of mutual supply.

"Suggestions of an opposite complexion are ever to be deplored, as unfriendly to the steady pursuit of one great common cause, and to the perfect harmony of all the parts.

"In proportion as the mind is accustomed to trace the intimate connexion of interest, which subsists between all the parts of a Society united under the same government--the infinite variety of channels which serve to Circulate the prosperity of each to and through the rest--in that proportion will it be little apt to be disturbed by solicitudes and Apprehensions which originate in local discriminations.

"It is a truth as important as it is agreeable, and one to which it is not easy to imagine exceptions, that every thing tending to establish substantial and permanent order, in the affairs of a Country, to increase the total mass of industry and opulence, is ultimately beneficial to every part of it.

"On the Credit of this great truth, an acquiescence may safely be accorded, from every quarter, to all institutions & arrangements, which promise a confirmation of public order, and an augmentation of National Resource.

"But there are more particular considerations which serve to fortify the idea, that the encouragement of manufactures is the interest of all parts of the Union. If the Northern and middle states should be the principal scenes of such establishments, they would immediately benefit the more southern, by creating a demand for productions; some of which they have in common with the other states, and others of which are either peculiar to them, or more abundant, or of better quality, than elsewhere.

"These productions, principally are Timber, flax, Hemp, Cotton, Wool, raw silk, Indigo, iron, lead, furs, hides, skins and coals. Of these articles Cotton & Indigo are peculiar to the southern states; as are hitherto Lead & Coal. Flax and Hemp are or may be raised in greater abundance there, than in the More Northern states; and the Wool of Virginia is said to be of better quality than that of any other state: a Circumstance rendered the more probable by the reflection that Virginia embraces the same latitudes with the finest Wool Countries of Europe. The Climate of the south is also better adapted to the production of silk.

"The extensive cultivation of Cotton can perhaps hardly be expected, but from the previous establishment of domestic Manufactories of the Article; and the surest encouragement and vent, for the others, would result from similar establishments in respect to them.

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As can be seen from the above text, Hamilton's "articulated policy" was not about America's industrial and military self-sufficiency vis-a-vis the rest of the world. Instead, it is about North v.South, Manf. states v. Agro. states.

Doubtlessly, Hamilton did say," Not only the wealth, but the independence and security of a country, appear to be materially connected with the prosperity of manufactures. Every nation, with a view to those great objects, ought to endeavour to possess within itself all the essentials of national supply...." But it does not appear that he said it in this particular version of the Report.

"Report on Manufactures"

36 posted on 11/15/2003 7:32:55 AM PST by yankeedame ("Oh, I can take it but I'd much rather dish it out.")
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To: Tribune7
Dubya's been getting some serious grief for the steel tariffs.

Yes he has - from the steel users! Its helping the US producers of steel at the expense of the US users of steel. An unintended consequence, perhaps, but one that ought to make him reconsider.

37 posted on 11/15/2003 7:35:53 AM PST by meyer (Hint: Pulp Fiction)
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To: meyer
We have over-regulated our own industries out of existance. That is our biggest problem

That too is so true .... over regulating over-taxing intrusive welfare minded socialist government has caused this. It is now up to us to rid ourselves of it or surely perish

38 posted on 11/15/2003 7:36:40 AM PST by clamper1797 (Conservative by nature ... Republican in Spirit ... Patriot by Heart ... and Anti Liberal BY GOD)
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To: meyer
Rove did it for Union support.....which he will never get.
39 posted on 11/15/2003 7:37:06 AM PST by cp124 (The Great Wall Mart)
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To: cp124
What's to clarify? It's pretty self-explanatory - this country is producing more manufactured goods than last year, or two years ago, or ten years ago. How do you reconcile that fact with the statement that "manufacturing capacity is vaporizing before our eyes"?
40 posted on 11/15/2003 7:37:12 AM PST by general_re (Power Vortices for all!)
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