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To: Jim Cane
I am very familiar with the Constitution and its origin. None of that history demonstrates that the representative democracy it set up was or is a "tyrant." The Founders distrusted power but they established a nation designed to avoid tyranny since it was to be responsive to the citizens and could be changed through the amendment process.

It has worked admirably for over two hundred yrs. One of the reasons it has worked so well is the USSC.

Apparently you have a problem understanding the plain words of the 2d amendment which clearly states that the right to keep and bear arms is to allow the people to be armed and available for militia duty since "A well regulated militia, [is necessary] to the security of a Free STATE." This is clearly inconvenient to the arguments of those believing the 2d was designed to be used AGAINST the US government. It never was intended that way.

Militias were of use against the Indians but not much else as a short review of American military history would show you. Militias were to be REGULATED by the states; they weren't a bunch of kooks playing war games in the woods with the boys.

I have NO fear of freedom only of the shortsighted and ignorant who want to ignore parts of the constitution which don't suit them while claiming to be patriots. THEY are indeed dangerous to true freedom.

Rather than making vague and absurd accusations why don't you tell everyone where I have EVER "hushed" ANY fact of American history or any fact whatsoever.
695 posted on 12/02/2003 12:20:45 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Rather than making vague and absurd accusations why don't you tell everyone where I have EVER "hushed" ANY fact of American history or any fact whatsoever.

You accused me of violating this forum's rules (which I didn't) as far as making threats is concerned. I did violate them in regard to personal attacks - calling you a twinkie pie (which you are). You hoped to silence me, via admin moderator, and now misrepresent the clear meaning of the second amendment - highlighting [state] yet clearly oblivious to it's qualifier [FREE].

According to the Constitution, the federal government's powers are enumerated and few. The rights of the states and the people themselves are expansive.

Falling under the umbrella of the 9th and 10th amendments are those God given rights outlined in a document equal to the USC.

[When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security -- ]

The right of armed rebellion against tyranny is spelled out for you right there.

What do you think an armed citizenry is going to do if and when statist nutjobs like yourself decide that the rest of us can't be trusted with our God given rights?

Actually, I don't care what you think. This is the line. Here and no farther.

696 posted on 12/02/2003 12:47:29 PM PST by Jim Cane
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Here's an unvague accusation: You don't know jack diddly squat about the intention of the founding fathers with regards to the 2nd amdnement. Thomas jefferson himself fully expected armed rebellion against the US government. Here's a picture of it in his own hand and here's an excerpt from the transcription:

yet where does this anarchy exist? where did it ever exist, except in the single instance of Massachusets? and can history produce an instance of a rebellion so honourably conducted? I say nothing of it's motives. they were founded in ignorance, not wickedness. god forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. the people cannot be all, & always, well informed. the past which is wrong will be discontented in proportion to the importance of the facts they misconceive; if they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. we have had 13. states independant 11. years. there has been one rebellion. that comes to one rebellion in a century & a half for each state. what country before ever existed a century & half without a rebellion? & what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? let them take arms.

I don't know why people who know nothing about the intentions and opinions of the founding fathers claim to be able to speak for the meaning of the bill of rights. If you continue to doubt, there's volumes of information out there if you choose to educate yourself instead of remaining ingorant. BTW, you can also look at one of the offical seals of the united states, proposed by both Thomas Jefferson and Benjamin Franklin:



In case you can't read the writing on the seal, it says "Rebellion To Tyrants Is Obedience To God".
703 posted on 01/30/2004 1:17:58 PM PST by flashbunny (A corrupt society has many laws.)
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