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To: justshutupandtakeit
Rather than making vague and absurd accusations why don't you tell everyone where I have EVER "hushed" ANY fact of American history or any fact whatsoever.

You accused me of violating this forum's rules (which I didn't) as far as making threats is concerned. I did violate them in regard to personal attacks - calling you a twinkie pie (which you are). You hoped to silence me, via admin moderator, and now misrepresent the clear meaning of the second amendment - highlighting [state] yet clearly oblivious to it's qualifier [FREE].

According to the Constitution, the federal government's powers are enumerated and few. The rights of the states and the people themselves are expansive.

Falling under the umbrella of the 9th and 10th amendments are those God given rights outlined in a document equal to the USC.

[When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just Powers from the consent of the governed, -- That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new guards for their future security -- ]

The right of armed rebellion against tyranny is spelled out for you right there.

What do you think an armed citizenry is going to do if and when statist nutjobs like yourself decide that the rest of us can't be trusted with our God given rights?

Actually, I don't care what you think. This is the line. Here and no farther.

696 posted on 12/02/2003 12:47:29 PM PST by Jim Cane
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To: Jim Cane
I have never brought the moderator into ANY discussion I have been involved in and care not that you called me a name. While it is inaccurate I don't care about that. As for your assumption that I was attempting to silence you that is merely false. Reminding you of something is not the same thing. You can make all the implied threats you wish and I will never call them to the moderator's attention. They do make FR look like a looney's gathering place but such is the price of freedom.

There was certainly no "misrepresentation" of the 2d's meaning by pointing to the actual words within it. It clearly states that the reason for a militia and an armed population is to bring security to a free state not for any other purpose. But accuracy and truth mean nothing to ideologues.

There is certainly nothing in the 9th and 10th amendment which "equals" the USSC. Since the Court can determine what those amendments apply to they are subordinate to it.

Nor is there any doubt that the Constitution gives the federal government extensive powers. None of the founders doubted that there were implied powers as well (not even Jefferson.) If you really care about this point read Hamilton's essay on the constitutionality of the National Bank. Though I am sure you don't and won't.

A quote from the Declaration is not going to change the powers of the Court. Nor does it demonstrate any "despotism" to revolt against. Unless you believe the people should revolt against themselves since they are the creators of the free state discussed in the 2d.

Whackos are not going to change anything about this government and have little impact on anything except themselves.
697 posted on 12/02/2003 2:52:16 PM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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