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To: justshutupandtakeit
Those who turn away from him are neither conservatives nor patriots rather they are such as one would not want as an ally because they will cut and run at the least excuse.

I think this is an unfair characterization of those of us who fight on the front lines every day in one way or the other to try and make sure that the Constitution and the Republic (what's left of them) remain as a viable option in a world over-run by the PC crowd, by tyrants, dictators, socialists, communists, assorted riff-raff and vermin in and out of government bent upon subverting if not outright destroying the fabric of the greatest experiment in freedom the world has ever been a party to. I see no difference between the overt RAT-bastards in the US Senate who blatantly are trying to turn the Republic into a socialist nightmare nor the 9+ 1 idiots who are "pretenders to the throne" running for the RAT nomination, and a Republican Party, the so-called Party of Freedom, that will compromise on basic issues of liberty as layed out in the Bill of Rights. The choice we then have is one of hard-core socialism or a "soft" version of socialism. The end result is the same - liberty takes a back seat to political expediency. I am under no illusions that we are as free as the good citizens were in America in 1810; no, we are living in post-Constitutional America - a place where there is no real separation of powers, where the media (as you put it) and the political establishment are in bed, where there is no real difference between the two main parties, except to blind loyalists who can "see no evil" in a slow, incremental compromising away of basic freedom and principles.

I support the President in much of what he wants to (and has) accomplish(ed); I really would like to vote for him (and send along what money I can) and help assure that the Repubos might gain a larger majority in Congress. I am willing to compromise on certain issues, like taxation, abortion, campaign finance, education - but I am NOT willing to give up one more inch of ground in the fight for the RKBA. As goes the 2nd, so goes the Republic. We are at an historical cross-roads in the history of the US; we can either work to stop the advance of socialism, or we can compromise our way to it. The choice is ours.

136 posted on 11/13/2003 4:02:39 PM PST by 45Auto (Big holes are (almost) always better.)
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To: 45Auto
Some things are worth fighting for. I am one frog who is getting pretty damn tired of thanking the Republican chefs for "only" turning the water in the pot up a "few degrees" this year.


137 posted on 11/13/2003 4:13:10 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: 45Auto
I honestly don't know what to do.

I voted for Bush although I suspected he would be just about what he has turned out to be. For a little while I thought maybe he was going to be ok but now I don't think so.

Gore was so bad that I just couldn't stand the idea of voting for him but it might have been the best thing. The Republican party really needs an attitude adjustment. I think the only way is to just quit voting for them when they spit on us.

Maybe a few more years under the radicals would do more good in awakening us than a few more of death by degrees. I have more respect for an avowed Commie than someone who really believes in nothing.

145 posted on 11/13/2003 4:40:57 PM PST by yarddog
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To: 45Auto
It is a MYTH that we are less free than in 1810. A myth that is only possible when the realities of our history are ignored. One has to ignore the inconvenient facts of slavery, class oppression, state involvement in religion, morality, state repression of freedom of expression to believe the average American was more free then than now.

One could be punished for adultery by the state, for not going to church, jailed for debt, forced to join Slave Patrols in the South (or be fined), run out of town or killed for avocating abolition of the slaves. Abolitionist newspapers were routinely seized from the Southern mails as were magazines not politically correct toward the Slavers. Their offices burned. Of course, Blacks had NO constitutional rights until the aftermath of the DemocRAT Revolt in 1861. Afterwards the ex-slaves had few that were respected. They were killed in the thousands by the malicious ex-Slavers, denied the rights to bear arms, denied the right to participate politically, driven deliberately to economic ruin, denied educations.

Women had few rights at all. Only for the rich, white man was there anything close to the freedoms we know today.

There is a big difference between the parties though the ideological blind pretend not to see any. The difference is easily seen by studying (or at least being familiar with) the history of the RAT party and its devotion to evil for its entire life.

You cannot base political views today upon a Mythology and expect to be successful.
210 posted on 11/14/2003 7:13:14 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree: Bush must be destroyed.)
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