The Assault Weapons Ban May Be Bush's Undoing

TooGood Reports ^ | 13 November 2003 | Lee R Shelton IV

[Consort]

Weak.

[Badray]

And your contribution to the discussion has been. . . What?

To kiss up to those who would further restrict your rights. You don't want to, or are afraid to, be part of the solution.

Therefore, you are the problem.

[Consort]

There you go again. You're going to.......teach them a lesson.......regardless of whether or not it will make things better or worse. Is that your plan of action?

[Teacher317]

Ever have children? Punishing them is no fun for the parent either (like cancelling vacation plans, waiting another year to finally get another driver in the family, etc), but it has to be done for the good of the child, the good of the family, and the good of everyone in the child's future.

[Teacher317]

Indeed, they are poison. But as the saying goes, What doesn't kill us, makes us stronger.

LOL, now I leap to the other side of the argument... the comeback:

"Renewing an already existing gun ban won't kill us, since the previous 10 years didn't."

But you say, "Ah! This WILL cost lives in the future, just look at every other gun-banning example".

And their retort to our sunset-the-ban-or-let-GWB-lose stand, of course, is "Ah! But that WILL cost lives in the future, just look at every other nation that drove Left over time."

What a great Hobson's Choice we have. Pick your poison, folks! It's one heck of an indicator of how successful the Left has been for decades, and what an uphill battle we face.

[Teacher317]

(Ideally, though, our optimum position is for GWB to win in 2004 AND for the AWB to sunset. What a pity that he wants to sign it. The easiest way to avoid this choice between two evils is for one man to change his mind... but that does not look likely, making GWB's leadership more questionable in the eyes of many, like myself. Our next best hope, then, is to make damn sure that it does not reach his desk for this infuriatingly wrong-headed signature. To Congress! Raaahhhh!)

[NittanyLion]

I do realize however that a bunch of one-issue spoiled children think they and their issue is so important, in fact the only important issue in Amercia, that they are willing to help elect a liberal if they don't get their way on one small segment of their overall issue.

I suspect most folks on this thread have a scale of sorts. Let me elaborate on mine:

GOOD: Foreign policy, tax cut, PBA ban, overall decorum

BAD: CFR, Prescription Drug Bill, higher government spending

Every time an item is added to one of those lists it impacts my view of this administration. So in theory one issue could tip the balance in either direction.

This bogeyman folks like yourself continue to trot out (electing a liberal) simply doesn't fly with the more principled conservatives. I refuse to be complicit in policy that hurts my family. Period. I will only vote for candidates that have a net benefit. Now, to date I think Bush has exerted a positive force on our nation. But he hasn't accrued so much goodwill that it cannot be undone by a few foolish policy decisions of the sort proposed here.

[MindBender26]

The problem with your logic is, next November, we will elect a President. There will be two VIABLE candidates. Forget all the BS about this or that 3d party.

One of those candidates will be more liberal, one more conservative. Which one do you want in office? It all boils down to that simple binary question.

First rule of Realpolitics. To govern, you must first be elected.

Your vote is not a question of helping the conservative be elected. It's a question of your vote, or non vote, helping the conservative or the liberal govern you over the next four years.

[CarryaBigStick]

Nice portrait. Seal Team 1, oh, around 1980? ...judging from the MAC 10 you're carrying. I have a good friend who was on Team 1 about at that time, I'll bet you know him. Kind of lost touch with him, can you help me find him?

Don't the Pubbies remember what happened to the rats when they passed this abomination of a law in 1994? Pretty da*n short on memory if you ask me.

Maybe W ought to talk to his dad about what happened to him in 1992 when he abandoned his principles on taxation.

[CarryaBigStick]

Sir, I use military rifles regularly in NRA high power rifle matches; rifle matches that were created to keep the militia proficient in marksmanship so they would be effective when needed in an emergency.

No! I *will* not just shut up and take it!

[CarryaBigStick]

I'll put my money on Travis any day. Even if he was unarmed you'd probably lose, but armed with a blunderbuss with rusty nails your fate would be sealed.

[NittanyLion]

Your vote is not a question of helping the conservative be elected. It's a question of your vote, or non vote, helping the conservative or the liberal govern you over the next four years.

I will not vote for a person who I believe will govern to a net loss for the country. No amount of scare tactics will convince me otherwise. Until politicians realize there are consequences for their actions, they will continue to take the vote of folks like yourself for granted. I'm not about to join in enabling bad behavior in DC.

[Travis McGee]

Close. That's ST2 about 81, I was an east coast frog. To find former team guys, there's a few websites that can help, I think one is navyseals.com. I agree about W: if he walks away from us, a lot of us won't exactly be motivated to reelect him.

[Consort]

Very bad and dangerous analogy. Punishing your kid does not create a power vacuum that will be filled bay another (and worse) kid. You punished Bush 41 and the Clintons immediately filled the vacuum to the detriment of the whole country....and they're not done with us yet. You taught Bush 41 a real lesson, didn't you? Are you proud of what you did? Are you going to do the same in 2004? If so, then you owe all the kids an apology.

[MindBender26]

Thank you for identifying yourself. Now we know who the real RINO is!

[NittanyLion]

Indeed we do.

[yarddog]

Your point in post # 412 is exactly right.

If a politician doesn't really believe in our constitution, we can at least make them aware that it is to their best interest to act like they do.

Bush Sr. pulled one of the dirtiest tricks I can ever remember. He stabbed gun owners right in the back at the exact time when it would hurt the most. I am not a particularly vendictive person but that one I won't forget. I was willing to give his Son the benefit of the doubt but he is certainly not sending the right signals.

[Badray]

Your vote for Bush if he signs a renewal of the AWB (or a worse version) will tell both parties that restrictions on gun, gun rights and gun owners is okay.

I do not accept that it is okay and I will withhold support and my vote REGARDLESS OF ANY CONSEQUENCES.

Bush and every other politician has to know that there is a cost for their actions.

[NittanyLion]

I'm constantly amazed by the fact that some Republicans talk about black voters "staying on the Democrat Plantation" - yet these folks allow their vote to be taken for granted by the GOP when they never stand on any principle. Their inability to perform even the slightest bit of introspection is sad to watch.

[Lazamataz]

Yeah, we should all vote for Democrats, they really support the second ammendment. /not

So we have a choice of driving over a cliff at 60 miles an hour in the Democrat, or driving over a cliff at 20 miles an hour in the Republican car.