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The Assault Weapons Ban May Be Bush's Undoing
TooGood Reports ^ | 13 November 2003 | Lee R Shelton IV

Posted on 11/13/2003 12:45:22 PM PST by 45Auto

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To: sheltonmac
If this President Bush signs a so-called 'assault weapons ban,' he can most certainly expect the same support from me, come election time, that I provided to his father...

;>)

361 posted on 11/14/2003 4:30:50 PM PST by Who is John Galt? (What part of "shall not be infringed" do you not understand?)
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To: Badray
Bump!

;>)

362 posted on 11/14/2003 4:37:16 PM PST by Who is John Galt? ("COME AND TAKE IT!" - Battle of Gonzales, Texas Revolution, 1835)
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To: Joe Brower
I think Uncle Cletus looks mighty dapper even today!
363 posted on 11/14/2003 4:48:37 PM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Stew Padasso
PS Stew, I like your FR Home Page ~ you have some great stuff there ~ congratulations on putting it all together ~ good job!
364 posted on 11/14/2003 4:59:38 PM PST by blackie
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To: Spirited
Time for Bush, Wolf, Allen, Warner and a few others to understand that voters do not live on promises.

Not to burst your bubble, but Allen suppports the AWB. He stated so late in his campaign, and his stance hasn't changed since then.

BTW you're in my election district. Are you in Loudoun County?

365 posted on 11/14/2003 5:07:39 PM PST by gieriscm (The AW ban sunsets on 09/13/2004)
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To: stevio
By all means keep up the pressure on our elected officials, especially our Congressmen. They're all up for re-election next year, so they'll all be home campaigning. I tend to get a little... in-your-face... during their town meetings.

Check out http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/921393/posts for a way to put pressure on them from within the GOP.

366 posted on 11/14/2003 5:15:49 PM PST by gieriscm (The AW ban sunsets on 09/13/2004)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
So how is the Crackpots Against Bush organizing going?

When did you stop beating your wife?

367 posted on 11/14/2003 5:19:25 PM PST by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
I doubt your understanding of the constitution could pass the test I could give you.

I suspect you are right about that if your test is based on your opinions rather than the truth.

For example the phrase "shall not be infringed" apparently only applies to flintlock muzzleloaders in your world.

Regards

J.R.

368 posted on 11/14/2003 6:01:47 PM PST by NMC EXP (Choose one: [a] party [b] principle.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Compared to the issues of real importance Bush must deal with this is a totally minor issue with little or nothing to do with real freedom merely pleasures and fun.

While battle rifles are fun, this is not their primary purpose. The purpose of my battle rifle is disable those who would use violence to destroy my life, liberty or my property.

Using one to stop an assault or a crime becomes a crime itself about the time the first unnecessary round is fired. You can shoot someone in most cases once but more than that is not allowed. Not even if the shot guy needed shooting.

Many criminal home invasions involve multiple aggressors. Unless you live in a condo or have other overpenetration concerns, a battle rifle is the best tool for the job. It was also the best tool for the Korean shopowners in LA or anyone else in an area where urban unrest is likely.

You are correct in believing Bush to be the only electable candidate but if he extends or continues this ban he will making criminals out of thousands of otherwise law abiding citizens. Not 1 in 10 battle rifle owners understands the current law.

Off topic...I've been brushing up on my revolutionary history....You are right!! Jefferson was a duplicitious prick.

369 posted on 11/14/2003 8:50:45 PM PST by AdamSelene235 (I always shoot for the moon......sometimes I hit London.- Von Braun)
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To: Consort
"...shoot youself and stab the rest of us in the back to prove your point..."

No! To teach them (Bush and every other pol who wants to disarm us) that there is a price to be paid for their treachery.

If you reward your so-called friends who violate your rights, how can you condemn your opponents when they do the same thing?

Rights are non-negotiable or didn't you know that?

If I want to steal all of your money and you didn't want me to take any of it, would you compromise with me by letting me steal half of it?

370 posted on 11/14/2003 11:15:22 PM PST by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
" He will have a much bigger margin than that."

Not that the popular vote counts nationally, but he did have 500,000 less votes than algore. And that was WITH the support of principled gunowners. He won't be able to count on them this time if he signs the AWB.

371 posted on 11/14/2003 11:39:57 PM PST by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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To: Badray
No! To teach them (Bush and every other pol who wants to disarm us) that there is a price to be paid for their treachery.

How do you teach them a lesson without screwing things up for everybody? If Bush is not reelected, then who gets to be President and what will that person do for you? In '92 Bush 41 was not reelected because you wanted to "teach him a lesson"...and look what happened.

372 posted on 11/15/2003 12:11:27 AM PST by Consort
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To: Shooter 2.5
"Now what are you doing so it doesn't reach his desk?"

You mean besides educating my friends, neighbors, and business associates?

You mean besides writing to my Congresswoman to make sure that she is on board with me (she is)?

You mean besides working with my gun group to educate the other Congressman in my state?

You mean besides working gun shows to educate gun owners of the importance of getting involved?

You mean besides working to elect good, no compromise candidates at all level?

You mean besides donating money to the NRA, Firearm Owners Against Crime (FOAC), RKBA.com, JPFO, and GOA?

Is that what you mean?

Besides that, nothing.

373 posted on 11/15/2003 12:19:10 AM PST by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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To: Consort
"How do you teach them a lesson without screwing things up for everybody?

How do they learn a lesson if they are allowed to get away with being gun grabbers?

"If Bush is not reelected, then who gets to be President. . ."

I don't know who the dem candidate is yet, so I can't answer accurately, but I would assume that it will be the dem candidate.

"and what will that person do for you?"

Nothing, but if Congress is paying attention to the early demise of GWB, then perhaps they will fight a little harder for what's right.

"In '92 Bush 41 was not reelected because you wanted to "teach him a lesson"...and look what happened."

I held my nose and voted for Bush Sr. even though I didn't like him. I still don't, but I wasn't trying to teach a lesson though I'm sure that many did resent his broken promise on taxes.

374 posted on 11/15/2003 12:50:03 AM PST by Badray (Molon Labe!)
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To: Badray
You made my case.
375 posted on 11/15/2003 12:55:49 AM PST by Consort
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To: Geritol
If you are treading water in the ocean and 2 people offer to help you, one by tossing you a 5 pound weight and the other a 1 pound weight, which one helped you more? Neither. The each decreased your chances of survival.

Both the republicans and the democrats have increased gun restrictions, increased taxes, increased the size of government. Most Republicans have gone in this direction more slowly than the democrats.

Good analogy. Bush's stated support of the AWB shows that regarding the Second Amendment he infringes on the right to bear arms just a little less than the Democrats. He's still moving in the opposite direction of "shall not be infringed."

376 posted on 11/15/2003 6:06:26 AM PST by The_Eaglet
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To: Dan from Michigan
Your vote is not needed.
377 posted on 11/15/2003 6:07:54 AM PST by verity
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To: bassmaner
Well, because many RKBA advocates refuse to vote for candidates from the only party that consistently supports the 2nd Amendment...

The Constitution Party also consistently supports the 2nd Amendment.

378 posted on 11/15/2003 6:17:21 AM PST by Stop Legal Plunder ("When words are many, sin is not lacking." -- Proverbs 10:19a)
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To: MindBender26; Dan from Michigan
"he'll lose my vote"

Then we'll have a Clinton or Clintonlike candidate who'll take away all guns.

Howard Dean is poised to win the Democrat nomination. His position on guns seems little different from Bush's -- they'll enforce existing laws but don't want any more -- so I think your concern is excessive. In fact, as Republicans seem to defend many of our rights better when in opposition than when in power, it's possible that gun rights would be better protected under Howard Dean as president with a Republican Congress.

There's a further consideration: As the assault weapons ban is due to expire, "extending" or "renewing" is, in actuality, passage of a new gun control law. That's because without action the law would not exist at the end of the term. So if the ban is reconstituted, a fair comparison of candidates Bush and Dean could easily suggest the latter is more worthy of the second amendment vote.

Fortunately, it's not too late for Bush to do the right thing, so let's encourage him to do so.

379 posted on 11/15/2003 6:45:50 AM PST by Stop Legal Plunder ("When words are many, sin is not lacking." -- Proverbs 10:19a)
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To: T Wayne
If Bush supports/allows reauthorization of the AWB, he has lost my vote.

Mine as well.

If that crap is extended in any way other than in an overide of a veto, Bush will lose in '04.

You're absolutely correct. I just hope Bush doesn't have to learn this the hard way, like Clinton.

380 posted on 11/15/2003 6:48:21 AM PST by Stop Legal Plunder ("When words are many, sin is not lacking." -- Proverbs 10:19a)
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