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Air District Clarifies New Fireplace Rules- Rule Violators Could Be Fined (CA)
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Posted on 11/12/2003 3:46:36 PM PST by chance33_98

Air District Clarifies New Fireplace Rules

Rule Violators Could Be Fined

POSTED: 11:35 PM PST November 10, 2003 UPDATED: 11:19 AM PST November 11, 2003

BAKERSFIELD, Calif. -- New fireplace regulations that went into effect Nov. 1 mean before people light a log in their fireplace, residents will need to know if it's been declared a "no burn night."

Dale Karnes uses his wood burning fireplace solely to heat the room where he and his wife spend most of their time.

"We need the heat. It's not because our age or anything, this room is like a tomb in the wintertime. It's cold," Karnes said.

However, if they use their fireplace for heat on a "no burn night," they could face a fine because it's not their sole heating source.

"It is hooked onto the main heat, but it's so far away. I mean it's probably a good 40 feet from that exchange to the unit," Karnes said.

The No. 1 question being asked about the "no burn nights" is who is exempt from the no burn rules.

One point the San Joaquin Valley Air District wants people to know is that pellets and manufactured fire logs are not exempt from the rules.

"If wood burning is your soul source of heat and you don't have another heating device built into the home then you are exempt. We are going to allow questions about that because people aren't sure if they qualify or not," said Kelly Malay of the San Joaquin Valley Air District.

Malay said there is no "permit" application -- residents will either be exempt, or not.

"The best answer is call us and we'll talk about it and find out because there are some gray areas that we need to know all the details about," Malay said.

The Air District will enforce the no burn nights with both random patrols and through complaints that are called in.

"If you are caught violating the rule the fine can be between $50 and $1,000. The $1,000 case would obviously be someone who has violated the rule repeatedly," Malay said.

The "no burn nights" do not apply to residents with natural gas or propane fireplaces.

Call (800) SMOG-INFO for the daily no burn status and if you have any questions about the no burn rules, call the Air District at 326-6900.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: airquality; fireplace; greens
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To: Carry_Okie
A race to the bottom.
21 posted on 11/12/2003 9:39:46 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: nightdriver
I sense stealth fascism

You sense overpopulation.

22 posted on 11/12/2003 9:43:05 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
Don't have a petition eh?
23 posted on 11/12/2003 9:54:15 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by politics.)
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To: Age of Reason
"You sense overpopulation."

Uhmmm, no.

That's just the excuse used by old hippies who don't know how to do anything else but work at imposing their wills on everyone else.

They say that gas fires are exempt. Ha! If they could see the comparison of combustion products of a wood fire and a gas fire, they wouldn't say that. Of course, that naively assumes that the air pollution board is honest.

24 posted on 11/12/2003 10:04:59 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: nightdriver
(What's the use.)

(I will save myself.)

(It will be amusing to see the sheeple wonder where their freedom went.)

(Because they still won't get it.)
25 posted on 11/12/2003 10:09:54 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: swarthyguy
They won't need random patrols. Your neighbors will inform on you.

Welcome to Amerika.

26 posted on 11/13/2003 3:58:02 AM PST by snopercod (My Indian name is "Runs With Chainsaw".)
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To: Carry_Okie
The air in Kali is much cleaner today than when I grew up there back in the 50's and 60's. Yet the Jihadists keep on tightening the screws.

It's pretty obvious that their goal is not clean air, but total control over the lives of everyone.

BTW, In the late 50's in the LA basin, it was still legal to burn your trash in a back-yard incinerator. The incinerators were made out of pre-cast concrete, and you could buy them at the hardware store.

27 posted on 11/13/2003 4:02:00 AM PST by snopercod (My Indian name is "Runs With Chainsaw".)
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To: snopercod
They won't need random patrols. Your neighbors will inform on you.

Satellite infra-red.

28 posted on 11/13/2003 4:14:31 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by politics.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Can't sleep?
29 posted on 11/13/2003 4:22:41 AM PST by snopercod (My Indian name is "Runs With Chainsaw".)
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To: Age of Reason
While the rest of the suckers, who welcomed immigrants because they were brainwashed into it, live in high-rise human anthills, and blame other people for having "foolish" thoughts and forcing "wasteful" and "unreasonable" regulations governing how to share the resources of the human anthill.

Reading this thread makes me sad. In a lifetime we have gone from the wonderful smell of a wood buring stove or fireplace, burning leaves and trash in the back yard, driving cars with open exhaust systems, logging our private forests,and landscaping riverbanks to living under an oppressive system of increasing regulations and laws.

And there is no denying that the restrictions come with increasing population (and there is no doubt that some in government want to have greater and greater control over the lives of others). As Natural Processes points out, many approaches are not just ineffective, they are wrong.

Still it is a compromise. Each law would not have a chance of passage if it did not address in some way the germ of a problem. If a majority of our neighbors choose to do something stupid, and we can't get them to be rational, the only other alternative is to move to less crowded conditions, try to live in your lifetime as well as you can, and recognize that our children will have to do the same.

30 posted on 11/13/2003 5:01:05 AM PST by KC_for_Freedom (Sailing the highways of America, and loving it.)
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To: snopercod
In a way. Ever since the time change I've been getting up at five to get my reading done and then do transplanting (short days you know). So just call it early.
31 posted on 11/13/2003 5:05:08 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by politics.)
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To: KC_for_Freedom
What we have here is just more rural cleansing. Edward Abbey wrote an entire book (Good News) about the "eternal battle between the urban and the rural people".
32 posted on 11/13/2003 5:29:56 AM PST by snopercod (My Indian name is "Runs With Chainsaw".)
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To: Carry_Okie
In areas with a high population density this makes a lot of sense.
33 posted on 11/13/2003 5:32:43 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: snopercod
And if the area has a high population density, I wouldn't exactly call it rural.
34 posted on 11/13/2003 5:33:45 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla
In areas with a high population density this makes a lot of sense.

Tell that to the people of Lake Arrowhead. It depends upon the situation. The balance of trade-offs too complex for a blanket approach.

35 posted on 11/13/2003 5:42:07 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by politics.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Population density is population density. Climate should be taken into account, too. What's blanket about that? If there's a problem, it should be fixed. If this is what's causing the problem, curb it. If wood burning isn't affecting air quality to the extent there's a real problem, then let folks burn to their hearts' content.
36 posted on 11/13/2003 5:46:45 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla
Population density is population density.

My, how erudite. No it isn't. If that dense population is adjacent to a forest there are two ways to deal with the fuel, rot or burn, else the forest becomes a hazard. Burning is the natural method and is necessary for protecting that forest and its performance as a watershed (else you get those nasty landslides they are getting in LA tonight). One would like to minimize the destructive force. The best way is to remove some of that fuel.

Most of that timber and brush is no good for lumber. The paper mills don't want it. There are two ways to deal with the fuel, rot or burn. Woodstoves today have catylitic converters. So do pellet stoves. Both (especially the pellet stoves) are relatively clean compared to the alternatives. What then remains to be resolved are temporal and spatial considerations of climate conditions including dispersion patterns. For example, it might be better to burn on the downwind side of town. What would be really great is if we stopped with the crap about purity and started using more wood fired power plants.

The alternative is to rot the material, for example to chip it and turn it into soils. This is a good thing but it is VERY energy intensive and expensive. It also induces airborne mold spores which are highly allergenic.

Air quality is a lot more complex an issue than just smoke.

37 posted on 11/13/2003 6:05:56 AM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by politics.)
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To: Carry_Okie
Particulate count is particulate count. If folks use woodstoves with technology that lowers particulate counts to acceptable levels there shouldn't be a problem in any case.
38 posted on 11/13/2003 6:48:56 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla
Obviously you're not familiar with Bakersfield. That county is probably one of the least populous in the entire state.
39 posted on 11/13/2003 7:55:08 AM PST by snopercod (My Indian name is "Runs With Chainsaw".)
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To: chance33_98
These people aren't looking just to ban wood-burning on certain nights. Their ultimate goal is to ban it an all nights (and days)!

"Solar Only!"

40 posted on 11/13/2003 8:13:04 AM PST by Gritty
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