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Air District Clarifies New Fireplace Rules- Rule Violators Could Be Fined (CA)
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Posted on 11/12/2003 3:46:36 PM PST by chance33_98

Air District Clarifies New Fireplace Rules

Rule Violators Could Be Fined

POSTED: 11:35 PM PST November 10, 2003 UPDATED: 11:19 AM PST November 11, 2003

BAKERSFIELD, Calif. -- New fireplace regulations that went into effect Nov. 1 mean before people light a log in their fireplace, residents will need to know if it's been declared a "no burn night."

Dale Karnes uses his wood burning fireplace solely to heat the room where he and his wife spend most of their time.

"We need the heat. It's not because our age or anything, this room is like a tomb in the wintertime. It's cold," Karnes said.

However, if they use their fireplace for heat on a "no burn night," they could face a fine because it's not their sole heating source.

"It is hooked onto the main heat, but it's so far away. I mean it's probably a good 40 feet from that exchange to the unit," Karnes said.

The No. 1 question being asked about the "no burn nights" is who is exempt from the no burn rules.

One point the San Joaquin Valley Air District wants people to know is that pellets and manufactured fire logs are not exempt from the rules.

"If wood burning is your soul source of heat and you don't have another heating device built into the home then you are exempt. We are going to allow questions about that because people aren't sure if they qualify or not," said Kelly Malay of the San Joaquin Valley Air District.

Malay said there is no "permit" application -- residents will either be exempt, or not.

"The best answer is call us and we'll talk about it and find out because there are some gray areas that we need to know all the details about," Malay said.

The Air District will enforce the no burn nights with both random patrols and through complaints that are called in.

"If you are caught violating the rule the fine can be between $50 and $1,000. The $1,000 case would obviously be someone who has violated the rule repeatedly," Malay said.

The "no burn nights" do not apply to residents with natural gas or propane fireplaces.

Call (800) SMOG-INFO for the daily no burn status and if you have any questions about the no burn rules, call the Air District at 326-6900.


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: airquality; fireplace; greens
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1 posted on 11/12/2003 3:46:37 PM PST by chance33_98
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To: chance33_98; SierraWasp; snopercod
As if the bureaucrats understand all local conditions. I guess it's no surprise that the only alternative is natural gas. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see the fine hand of the NRDC behind this.

Meanwhile, we have an abundance of wood in disastrously overstocked forests that must be burned or it will either rot (producing mold spores that are a known allergen) or go up in a very dirty fire.

Great environmental plan. Natural air isn't clean.
2 posted on 11/12/2003 3:56:34 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by politics.)
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To: chance33_98
The "no burn nights" do not apply to residents with natural gas or propane fireplaces.

But I thought your state will not allow drilling for oil or natural gas. Seems you're in a Cath-22 situation... Maybe I'm wrong.

3 posted on 11/12/2003 4:00:19 PM PST by Cobra64 (Babes should wear Bullet Bras - www.BulletBras.net)
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To: Carry_Okie
Well, if you live in a city with a lot of wood burners on a night when there's a temperature inversion, the air can get pretty bad.
4 posted on 11/12/2003 4:04:10 PM PST by mewzilla
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To: mewzilla
Well, if you live in a city with a lot of wood burners on a night when there's a temperature inversion, the air can get pretty bad.

People have been burning in that valley for over a hundred years without complaint. It is a necessary process for weed control and crop preparation among other things. As I also suggested, NOT burning has its own environmental consequences including air quality problems due to molds. Are you prepared to compensate the farmer who was there long before you for the costs associated with other methods of weed control? They're bloody expensive.

So, if you don't like it, why did you move there?

5 posted on 11/12/2003 4:22:34 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by politics.)
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To: chance33_98
A hundred years ago in this country if you told someone that you had to get the governments permission to hunt, fish, or build a fire to keep warm, they would not believe it.
6 posted on 11/12/2003 4:22:54 PM PST by Blue Screen of Death (,/i)
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To: SheLion; Madame Dufarge
The Air District will enforce the no burn nights with both random patrols and through complaints that are called in.

And banning cigs in "private" homes isn't next?

Random patrols....No, officer, we were smoking a big cig, not burning a log.

7 posted on 11/12/2003 4:26:07 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: chance33_98
If only those pesky forrests would abide by the "no burn" day rules.
8 posted on 11/12/2003 4:29:48 PM PST by Yo-Yo
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To: chance33_98
The "random patroler" who tries to cite my residence on Christmas Eve and/or Christmas Day is going to receive a very enthusiastic and un-Christian reception.

It may well take all 8 tiny reindeer to extract the still smoldering wood from his ...

9 posted on 11/12/2003 4:56:08 PM PST by Amerigomag
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To: Carry_Okie; mewzilla
People have been burning in that valley for over a hundred years without complaint . . . .

So, if you don't like it, why did you move there?

And if you don't like it, you should vote to end immigration.

Because it is ultimately population bloat from immigration that is pushing people out of their old neighborhoods and into yours.

The ensuing crowding will change your way of life and restrict your freedom.

10 posted on 11/12/2003 5:10:10 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Cobra64
natural gas or propane fireplaces

The polyester suit of home decor.

11 posted on 11/12/2003 5:13:12 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
And if you don't like it, you should vote to end immigration.

I have an SB60 referendum petition, do you?

Because it is ultimately population bloat from immigration that is pushing people out of their old neighborhoods and into yours.

Um, I don't live in the Central Valley. I'm just tired of city folk ruining farms, forests, and ranches because of their stupidly destructive whims. The people of Stockton never complained about the smell of peat when I was a kid because they knew it was necessary. It's a cultural problem, not just a matter of population.

12 posted on 11/12/2003 5:22:05 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by politics.)
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To: Carry_Okie
I have an SB60 referendum petition, do you?

And that referendum seeks to halt population bloat from LEGAL immigration?

I'm just tired of city folk ruining farms, forests, and ranches because of their stupidly destructive whims. The people of Stockton never complained about the smell of peat when I was a kid because they knew it was necessary. It's a cultural problem, not just a matter of population.

The only "cultural" problem is the belief that LEGAL immigration is perpetually wonderful.

13 posted on 11/12/2003 8:26:12 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
not just a matter of population.

The more people living in your house, the more rules governing who gets to use the bathroom and when.

Is that "cultural"?

14 posted on 11/12/2003 8:28:20 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
And that referendum seeks to halt population bloat from LEGAL immigration?

Obviously not. If you don't have, haven't requested, or haven't signed one, you have no complaint.

The only "cultural" problem is the belief that LEGAL immigration is perpetually wonderful.

We would need some or else the country's population would drop. I don't think you would like to see the economic implosion that would come with it until we can the Federill Reserve.

15 posted on 11/12/2003 9:11:25 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by politics.)
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To: Carry_Okie
We would need some or else the country's population would drop.

Let it drop.

16 posted on 11/12/2003 9:27:08 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Carry_Okie
If you don't have, haven't requested, or haven't signed one, you have no complaint.

Illegal immigration is a sideshow.

Legal immigration is the real problem.

17 posted on 11/12/2003 9:29:41 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Age of Reason
Japan, Italy, Russia.

No thanks. Stability, or even a growth rate of 1% per decade suits me fine for at least the next thirty years when we baby boomers are finally gone. Dropping numbers would cause a real estate implosion that would take every bank in the country with it.
18 posted on 11/12/2003 9:32:00 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by politics.)
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To: chance33_98
I sense stealth fascism. Liberals always have had a genetic similarity to nazis.
19 posted on 11/12/2003 9:32:35 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: Carry_Okie
Anyway, I waste my breath.

If I can't beat them, I will join them.

I will do what your brainwashers are doing: they realize the sheeple will never wise up.

So they make the best of a bad situation by profitting as much they can from the way things are, so that they will always be among the DIMINISHING few who are able to buy more freedom for themselves.

They fancy, with some justification, that should their neighborhoods become too crowded, they can always afford to buy a nice expanse of prime, empty real estate to enjoy in private.

While the rest of the suckers, who welcomed immigrants because they were brainwashed into it, live in high-rise human anthills, and blame other people for having "foolish" thoughts and forcing "wasteful" and "unreasonable" regulations governing how to share the resources of the human anthill.

20 posted on 11/12/2003 9:38:53 PM PST by Age of Reason
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