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Stryker Brigade lands in Kuwait (Welcome To the War, Boys)
ARNEWS Army News Service ^ | Nov. 12, 2003 | Sgt. Jeremy Heckler

Posted on 11/12/2003 12:49:58 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4

PORT OF KUWAIT, Kuwait (Army News Service, Nov. 12, 2003) -- For the first time since World War I, the 3rd Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division has deployed overseas.

The brigade’s Stryker vehicles and other equipment arrived Nov. 12 in the port of Kuwait on board the USNS Shughart and USNS Sisler after a three-week voyage from Fort Lewis, Wash., via the Port of Tacoma.

The deployment marks the second time that Stryker vehicles have landed on foreign soil though. In August a platoon from the Army’s first Stryker Brigade Combat team conducted a capabilities demonstration in South Korea.

Also on Nov. 12 the first main-body flight of Arrowhead Brigade soldiers completed their day-and-a-half trip from Fort Lewis Kuwait. The troops got onto buses and headed for Camp Udari in northern Kuwait while some went to the Port of Kuwait to assist in ship offload operations.

Soon after docking, advance-party crews from 3rd Brigade and members of the 598th Transportation Group (Forward), a Reserve unit deployed to Kuwait, went to work unleashing the vehicles and equipment in the ships’ cargo holds to prepare them for unloading, and eventually for their convoy to Camp Udari.

The team hopes to have the approximately 2,300 pieces of cargo unloaded in less than 48 hours, according to Maj. Faris Williams, 598th Transportation Group (Fwd).

“What makes it go so fast is that equipment is all fully mission capable and can be easily transported off the ship,” said Williams.

The goal for the 3rd Brigade soldiers is to get their vehicles ready for action.

“We are trying to download the ships and get the equipment to the marshalling yard,” said Staff Sgt. Darren Rone, 367th Maintenance Company, 44th Corps Support Battalion.

In the days leading to the ships’ arrival, the advance-party crews received safety briefings and were drilled in every aspect of the operation to ensure that the offload would be as safe as possible, said Maj. Sean McKinney, 3rd Brigade S-4, the unit’s logistics’ officer. The crews also had time to rest from their trip from Fort Lewis.

“Job number one here is taking care of the soldiers doing the work,” said McKinney. “The soldiers here were given crew rest and a place to recover and rest for the next day’s operations.”

That rest included time to go to the Internet café and take in the post exchange at the port so that they would be ready to go when the ships sailed in.

Rone said two shifts are working around the clock to put the vehicles in action. The teams of drivers and safety workers come from all across the brigade. Drivers are told to get in the vehicles they are licensed for and drive them off the ship.

“My job is to drive trucks off the ship and get them lined up for the soldiers to take to the marshalling yard,” said Spc. Sean Cruz, 296th Brigade Support Battalion.

A second set of drivers take the vehicles from the port to the marshalling yard further inland and ready them for their trip to Camp Udari, said McKinney. Once enough vehicles are ready, groups of soldiers will come down to the marshalling yard from CampUdari and begin the convoy north. The vehicles will head for each company’s motor pool and each unit will make final preparations for the journey into Iraq.

The brigade has been preparing to leave Fort Lewis for about a month. It held a going away ceremony Oct. 30.

The ceremony featured leaders from 1st Corps and 3rd Bde. who furled and cased the unit’s colors, a gesture symbolizing the end to the unit's training period and the beginning of its new mission as a certified combat unit, ready for action in Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Following the ceremony, Soldiers were showered with kisses from spouses and hugs from children.

"I think (the departure ceremony) was a great idea," said Maj. Mark Landes, 5th Battalion, 20th Infantry Regiment, 3rd Bde. "It allows a sense of closure and a sense of community getting behind the unit. It's great for the families, too."

While the departure ceremony helped prepare families for separation, everyone knew the upcoming year would be challenging.

"It's tough. But I am here to support my husband - sending letters as much as possible, sending pictures (of the children)," said Karin Markert, wife of Maj. John Markert, 2nd Battalion, 3rd Infantry Regiment, 3rd Bde., and mother of three.

(Editor’s note: Sgt. Jeremy Heckler is the 3rd Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division Public Affairs non-commissioned officer in charge. Steven Field, a journalist with the Northwest Guardian newspaper at Fort Lewis, also contributed to this story.)


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KEYWORDS: 3rdbde2id; army; arrowheadbde; iraq; miltech; sbct; stryker; strykerbrigade; stynker; wheeledarmor; wheelies
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
God speed to 'em.
81 posted on 11/13/2003 6:03:42 AM PST by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: Dave Elias
Think about a LOSAT set up something like one of these, with a mix of LOSAT launcher tubes and twin 25mm or 30mm automatic guns, maybe dual-feed, like the German Mauser automatic cannon, or a Gatling type, as per the G.E. *Blazer.*


82 posted on 11/13/2003 6:24:19 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: PaForBush
I don't think there are any troop transports that are completely safe from an RPG, but would you want to get close enough to one of these to fire an RPG at it??

No, you can't hide behind that rock, it will still see you, and turn the rock into high velocity shrapnel.

83 posted on 11/13/2003 6:52:07 AM PST by NeonKnight
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To: Lazamataz
A power source for EM Railguns has not been developed yet. As to the Stryker--it's a rolling deathtrap. Its wheels are to vuneralbe, it has virtually no armour, or fire power, and for its lack of firepower and mamour there is real increase in speed or air portability.
84 posted on 11/13/2003 6:59:15 AM PST by IamEveryman
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To: Lazamataz
Thats not a given.The LOSAT system take ten minutes to reload and only has four 177# rounds, and realistically requires a crew of three men. It would be better utilised on an armoured vehicle, impervious to samll arms fire rather than a HMVVV, or even a Stryker, if it could be mounted on that platform.The Stryker is a monumental wste of meny and effort, it is slow despite its lack of armour and firepower,and extremely vunerralbe to all except the most basic of small arms.
85 posted on 11/13/2003 7:13:08 AM PST by IamEveryman
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To: Ragtime Cowgirl
Godspeed, Stryker Brigade ~ Bump!
86 posted on 11/13/2003 8:42:20 AM PST by blackie
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To: SLB
At Unit of Action Lab, Soldiers Determine Design of FCS

. . . the Army is going to start building FCS prototypes in roughly a year.

How do you assess the chances of getting a Future Combat System Direct Fire Support System/Line Of Sight Tank Destroyer replacement for the Main Battle Tank anytime soon?

87 posted on 11/13/2003 8:54:04 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Brave Rifles! Veterans! You have been baptized in fire and blood and have come out steel.)
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To: NeonKnight
That might be true if we were fighting Germans or Irish or Peruvians who cared about living to fight another day. Against insane murder cultists on a fast track to 72 virgins, your logic fails utterly. These guys are more than happy to pull out an RPG at poing blank range.
88 posted on 11/13/2003 9:04:58 AM PST by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
Give 'em hell!!!
89 posted on 11/13/2003 9:19:26 AM PST by BigBadBrian
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To: PISANO
That was said by Gen Mattis who lead the Marines in Iraq.
90 posted on 11/13/2003 10:35:37 AM PST by flyer182
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To: NeonKnight
I don't think there are any troop transports that are completely safe from an RPG, but would you want to get close enough to one of these to fire an RPG at it??

No, you can't hide behind that rock, it will still see you, and turn the rock into high velocity shrapnel.

Not quite. LOSAT works by driving a long-rod penetrator an hypervelocities, somewhere in the 5000-10,000 foot per second range. Accordingly. it's better suited to use against slow-moving or stationary targets- like your rock, expecially hollow ones like a tank, whose armor becomes that high velocity shrapnel when smashed away at Losat's circa 19,000,000 mile-an-hour impact speed. But behind light cover, or in a setting with civilian structures that offer cover, or against a fats, maneuverable target, LOSAT is not the choice, nor is it ideal for use against troops in the open. It may be that a better answer is a dual or multiple weapons platform that includes a single or twin LOSAT launcher, backed up by the availability of multiple tube dedicated tank killing LOSAT vehicles, after the fashion of the WWII Tank Destroyers. Even better, a platoon mix of about two LOSAT vehicles teamed with a pair of gun-howitzer vehicles, and an antitank/antiaircraft gun/missile combination, perhaps NOT LOSAT-derived would be an even better choice, so that a potential enemy who came up with a LOSAT-defeating countermeasure would still have good reasons not to pick on the vehicles with the big long *sewerpipes* on their roofs.

So far as a wheeled, non-amphibious version, it's real value would be its relative stealth and silence in operation, particularly at night, though Stryker's reported fuel consumption suggests that it'll have a heck of a heat signature problem to deal with. That means a more realistic role for the wheelies than as the 13-man *battle taxi* version so far advanced, and a whole lot more capable armament is going to be needed than a .50 machinegun system of dubious reliability.

But if I was one of those RPG gunners trying to sneak up on a troop transport, I'd be real concerned that it might not be the troop transport version, but a cousin like one of the following, particularly if they routinely accompanied the infantry transport versions. And that offers protection from attacks from both high-speed aircraft and helicopters, too, something a single .50 doesn't offer much defensive capability against.


91 posted on 11/13/2003 11:13:35 AM PST by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: PaForBush
Mr. O'Reilly, who said he did the report at his own expense, says even with the added armor the Stryker's top and wheel wells are susceptible to RPGs that could kill all 13 Soldiers inside the Stryker's infantry carrier version.

Loose lips at the Washington Times.

92 posted on 11/13/2003 11:22:37 AM PST by wideminded
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
How do you assess the chances of getting a Future Combat System Direct Fire Support System/Line Of Sight Tank Destroyer replacement for the Main Battle Tank anytime soon?

Do you want the process or simply my opinion?

I assume you are asking for opinion - In that case I would not hold my breath. The Army has pretty much decided on what the FCS modules will look like and function. None that I have seen include a LOS tank destroyer type of system.

If you would want the process, the first step would be in developing a need. The folks at Ft Benning have been working that for some time, not sure where they are in getting it through all of the wickets.

OBTW, thanks for the link. Nice to see my place of employment making the news once every so often.

93 posted on 11/13/2003 11:30:12 AM PST by SLB ("We must lay before Him what is in us, not what ought to be in us." C. S. Lewis)
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To: M1Tanker
THE MGS AND THE NEW MODEL ARMY

Scroll down to that entry. Interesting Canadian analysis.

94 posted on 11/13/2003 1:19:29 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Brave Rifles! Veterans! You have been baptized in fire and blood and have come out steel.)
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To: SLB
I value your opinion. I was thinking there was going to be something along the lines of this:

You are welcome for the link. You are the first person I thought of when I came across it. The article led me to believe that the FCS is going to be designed with real imput from end users.

95 posted on 11/13/2003 1:28:56 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Brave Rifles! Veterans! You have been baptized in fire and blood and have come out steel.)
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To: SLB
The Army has pretty much decided on what the FCS modules will look like and function.

Is there anything open-source on the Web? I'm from Missouri, show me ;)

96 posted on 11/13/2003 1:32:35 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Brave Rifles! Veterans! You have been baptized in fire and blood and have come out steel.)
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To: SLB
There will be wide variety of Manned Ground Vehicles (MGV) as part of the FCS that will include a vehicle that can hit both line of sight (LOS) and Beyond (or Non) line of sight targets, roughly analogous to the Main Battle Tank

None that I have seen include a LOS tank destroyer type of system.

What I am curious about is what replaces the M1. Is there going to be some kind of highly mobile, well-protected, FCS fighting vehicle with some form of powerful direct fire weapon that people calling themselves tankers can use to close with and destroy the enemy by firepower, manuever and shock?

97 posted on 11/13/2003 1:50:48 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Brave Rifles! Veterans! You have been baptized in fire and blood and have come out steel.)
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To: SLB
a mounted combat system with a 105mm to 120mm gun to engage both line-of-sight and beyond line-of-sight targets

No Mounted Combat System?

98 posted on 11/13/2003 2:13:10 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Brave Rifles! Veterans! You have been baptized in fire and blood and have come out steel.)
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To: Graybeard58
LOGISTICS: Fighting Your Way Up the MSR

November 14, 2003: There are daily news reports of American soldiers getting shot at in Iraq. Most of these are troops in trucks moving supplies. There is a 350 kilometer long MSR (Main Supply Route) going from Kuwait to Baghdad, plus hundreds of kilometers of branch supply routes going off to various U.S. bases. About 300 convoys a day roll up the highway from Kuwait. Hundreds of smaller convoys move troops and equipment around. About twenty convoys a day are attacked. The weapons used are AK-47s, RPG rockets and remotely controlled bombs on the side of the roads. On dirt roads, anti-vehicle mines will be used as well. Some two or three troops are killed or wounded each day. Most of the attacks fail. This is largely because the attackers are hired by Baath Party leaders with more cash than courage (to do it themselves.) Bonuses are paid when the attackers actually wound or kill someone. But the hired Iraqis are content to fire on a convoy and get away alive to collect they pay (from a few hundred to a thousand dollars or more). Some are paid to set up road side bombs. The troops running these convoys have had to get additional training to deal with these combat operations they never thought they would be involved in. The transportation, logistics and maintenance troops had to get religious about cleaning their weapons and taking turns standing up in the truck with a machine-gun (on a mount), looking for potential attackers. Some of the troops are clamoring for rifle range built so they can get some training using a machine-gun from a moving truck (it does take some practice get good at this.) The attackers are taking heavier casualties than the American troops, which is not much consolation to the stressed out GI truck drivers and machine-gunners. American troops have also been changing their tactics, moving convoys at high speed (80-100 kilometers an hour) up the middle of roads and having combat troops or helicopters in the area to chase after attackers. The relatively low incidence of attacks actually makes it worse, because it is harder to stay on alert all the time when you might go weeks without getting shot at. More of the supplies are being moved by civilian truckers, who get attacked rarely. But purely military equipment is moved by soldiers, to make sure nothing is stolen. Moreover, if there were no military convoys, the attackers would turn their attacks on civilian truckers.

99 posted on 11/14/2003 8:44:22 AM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (Brave Rifles! Veterans! You have been baptized in fire and blood and have come out steel.)
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To: Cannoneer No. 4
For some time now, I've wondered why we can't re-fit some of those captured Iraqi tanks as armored personel carriers.
Not quite as fuel efficient, probably, but a lot more cost-effective, wouldn't you think?

And although I'm no expert, it seems that they might be a little more roadside-bomb resistant than a Humvee.

Oh; wait!; We blew them all up, didn't we, so that some Contractor can get filthy rich providing brand-new gazillion-dollar tanks for the new Iraqi Army at American Taxpayer expense.

And so we keep sending our Soldiers out in humvees into hostile territory by twos and threes for the ElQuida and Baathist savages to take pot-shots at and lay mines for at their leisure, and we lose two or three more a day, it seems.

Didn't we learn ANYTHING from Vietnam?

I hope that these expensive tin-can-on-wheels "Strykers" have better luck, but I think intuitively that the poster who opines that they will become flaming coffins for our troops may be all too right. The Jihaddists, I predict, are going to come to like them a whole lot better than our Troops, as they will be a whole lot more fun for them to blow up.

For one thing, all of those big, fat, fluffy tires hanging out all over the place make me nervous. I think we'll find that a WW-II surplus Half-Track might have better "survivability" in combat. If the first RPG or mine does not do the job, they will have plenty of opportunity to administer a Coup de Grace to finish it off while it wallows around like a grounded carp.

Sadly, in this as in all War in seems; there is far too much money to be made from it to allow the application of any more common sense than the politicians and top brass can officially prevent.

And although I'm all for Capatilism, I sure hate to see heroic young lives sacrificed in the interest of some big-wheel's profit margin.

Late in the American Civil War, John HALEY, a Private in the 17th Maine Infantry, wrote that "This war would have been over three years ago, if there were not so much money to be made from it."

Money indeed was made... and over 660,000 Americans perished in that conflict, from 1861 and 1865.

There are some parts of History that I sure wish we could get over repeating.
100 posted on 11/14/2003 10:10:51 AM PST by Uncle Jaque ("We need a Revival; Not a Revolution;... a Committment; Not a New Constitution..." -S. GREEN)
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