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Wisconsin Governor Defends His Benefits Offer to State Employees
The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel ^ | November 12, 2003 | Steven Walters and Amy Rinard

Posted on 11/12/2003 9:38:15 AM PST by Chummy

Doyle defends benefits offer State-paid insurance for domestic partners touted

By STEVEN WALTERS and AMY RINARD

Madison - Gov. Jim Doyle defended his offer to negotiate state-paid health insurance for domestic partners Tuesday, calling it worthy of consideration and insisting there would be no extra cost to taxpayers if it is part of new union contracts.

But Republicans who control the Legislature immediately asked Doyle to drop the idea, which would apply to unmarried couples of the same and opposite sex.

"I would encourage the governor to make sure this does not come to the Legislature," said Senate Majority Leader Mary Panzer (R-West Bend), all but promising that Republicans would not ratify any labor contract that included that controversial provision.

"This is not the right time to go into this," Panzer said. "We have very hard economic times that people are feeling all across the state. For state employees, they're facing layoffs."

There would not be enough votes in the Legislature to ratify a state labor contract that included health insurance for domestic partners, said Rep. Mark Gundrum (R-New Berlin), author of a bill vetoed by Doyle last week that would define marriage as a union only between a man and a woman. That measure would prevent the legalization of same-sex marriages in Wisconsin.

"This is a good indication of Governor Doyle's social agenda," said Gundrum, of the health benefits provision. "He's turning out to be the Madison liberal people feared he would be."

Noting that there were 68 votes in the 99-member Assembly in favor of his marriage bill, Gundrum said: "You're not going to find a majority in this house that is interested in advancing that kind of social agenda."

Merit seen in proposal After giving a Veterans Day speech in the Capitol, Doyle told reporters his offer is a long way from being finally accepted by union negotiators and, ultimately, the Legislature.

"I think it's worthy to put on the (bargaining) table, to see whether the unions have any interest in it," Doyle told reporters. "I think we should be trying to work to get health care for people.

"It would not cost the state at all. We were clear, when it was put on the table, that any cost . . . would come out of the small amount of money that we actually have for contracts this year."

Doyle has directed state negotiators to offer unionized workers no pay raises in the year that ends on June 30, and 1% pay raises the next year.

According to the Legislative Fiscal Bureau, the state budget sets aside $109 million this year to pay the costs of labor contracts that were negotiated late, and $163 million to cover a possible 1% pay raise for state workers by mid-2005.

Explaining why he forwarded the benefits idea, Doyle said: "People approached us who thought it was something to put on the bargaining table.

"Frequently, the employer puts things on the bargaining table; the employees put things on the bargaining table. Where it ends up in bargaining, we'll see . . . If there's not any interest on their part, there's not any interest."

Doyle spokesman Dan Leistikow said leaders of six of state government's 19 unions asked that extending health insurance to domestic partners be a subject of negotiations. To protect the secrecy of the bargaining process, the names of those six unions will not be released, Leistikow said.

Doyle said his offer to extend health insurance to domestic partners would not benefit only gay or lesbian couples.

"Partners doesn't have to do with gender at all," Doyle said. "It can be partners of opposite sex, or the same sex."

Madison offers health benefits to domestic partners, as does Milwaukee, which has agreed to the provide the benefit in several union contracts.

Michael Moore, president of the State Professional Educators and Information Council, said his union of about 800 state workers was one of those that included health insurance benefits for domestic partners in a contract proposal made a year ago.

But, Moore said, he was startled to read about the Doyle administration's offer in the Journal Sentinel on Tuesday. Although he has been negotiating with the administration since June, he said, the subject has never been raised in contract talks with his union.

"This is the first I've heard about it," he said. "I was surprised to read about it, because nobody has put anything about this on the table with us."

Limited dollars In general, Moore said, his members believe that the more people that are covered by health insurance in Wisconsin, the better health care will be for everyone.

But with so little money set aside for general wage increases, he said, his union will not push the issue of health insurance for domestic partners during these negotiations.

With limited money available, "you want to make sure it's doled out as fairly as possible," Moore said.

Marty Beil, executive director of Council 24 of the Wisconsin State Employees Union, an umbrella coalition of local unions, said this is not the year to make this issue a priority because of the state's tight finances. His members are most concerned about affordable health insurance and hedges against inflation, he said.

"Issues like domestic partners don't even show up on the priorities list for us because of the state's economic picture," Beil said. "There are only so many ways you can spend one percent, which isn't a lot of money."

Given the choice of having health insurance for domestic partners or getting a 10-cent-an-hour raise, most of his members would take the dime, he said.

"Kudos go to the governor for bringing up such a controversial issue," he said. "But it's just the wrong time."

Senate Democratic Leader Jon Erpenbach (D-Middleton) said he supports offering state health insurance to domestic partners.

"As long as we don't break the bank - and it doesn't sound like that is going to happen - that's fine," Erpenbach said.

Erpenbach said state government should follow the practices of some private businesses that already extend health insurance to domestic partners.

"The corporate world is light years ahead of us when it comes to domestic partner benefits," he said.

- From the Nov. 12, 2003 editions of the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel -


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: benefits; budget; democrat; domesticpartner; doyle; gay; healthinsurance; homosexual; labor; lesbian; liberal; marriage; married; samesex; taxes; taxpayers; union; unmarried; wisconsin
Governor Doyle: "It would not cost the state at all. We were clear, when it was put on the table, that any cost . . . would come out of the small amount of money that we actually have for contracts this year."

It would not cost the state at all? Well, who pays for this expansion of already bloated spending?

This is yet another statement from a public official that underscores the dangers of electing liberals like this.

This Governor just last week vetoed legislation that would have defined marriage as that legal union between a man and a woman. The legislation had passed the State Assembly with 68 of 99 votes.

1 posted on 11/12/2003 9:38:16 AM PST by Chummy
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To: Chummy
It would not cost the state at all? Well, who pays for this expansion of already bloated spending?

You can put it on the table. Add domestic partners in return for easier layoff or job transfer rules or cuts in paid sick leave, etc.

2 posted on 11/12/2003 9:45:19 AM PST by staytrue
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To: Chummy
This makes me sick.
3 posted on 11/12/2003 9:53:55 AM PST by malakhi (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.)
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To: Chummy
I don't think the cost of this was an issue in California. The libs just did it without asking about the cost.
4 posted on 11/12/2003 9:55:24 AM PST by Neanderthal
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To: WIMom; ninenot; steveegg; afraidfortherepublic; Catspaw; Extremely Extreme Extremist; ...
Wisconsin freeper ping.
5 posted on 11/12/2003 9:59:02 AM PST by malakhi (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.)
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To: staytrue
As an aside, staytrue, in other reporting on this issue, the leader of the union representing the state employees says they did not ask for the benefit the Governor is offering, and are not apparently all that interested in what he's peddling.

There already have been some layoffs among state personnel.

How does one, for want of a better term, police a benefits program such as this? How does one control whether Tom's live-in girlfriend, Suzie, continues to claim domestic partner benefits after Suzie leaves Tom for Alex and Tom finds true puppies with Wanda?
6 posted on 11/12/2003 10:07:52 AM PST by Chummy
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To: Chummy
How does one, for want of a better term, police a benefits program such as this?

You don't. We just pay and pay and pay...

7 posted on 11/12/2003 10:11:46 AM PST by malakhi (Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path.)
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To: Chummy
thats good comrade Doyle
give the sodomites whose immune compromised health care will
bankrupt an all ready over taxed state..
Doyle you are a boil on the late great state of Wisconsin
8 posted on 11/12/2003 10:12:05 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: malakhi
One must certainly question the timing of the matter.

This same Governor, in vetoing the aforementioned legislation that would have recognized marriage as that legal union between one man and one woman, considered that proposal an attack on those who would prefer, let's say other arrangements.

Within a week he proposes a social program that undermines the very bedrock of our society, the legal act that founds the family?

All that someone need do to obtain health benefits under this concept is share space with a state employee.
9 posted on 11/12/2003 10:15:29 AM PST by Chummy
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To: Chummy
Its easy to see whose side he's on.
10 posted on 11/12/2003 10:24:36 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Chummy
Doyle is beginning to sound like a Gray Davis wannabe. He needs to be ousted from the Governor's mansion. This guy is also pro-voter fraud too. He vetoed a bill that would require people to present ID into order to vote. As Attorney General, he refused to investigate alleged voter fraud in the 2000 Presidential election.
11 posted on 11/12/2003 10:26:27 AM PST by Kuksool
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To: Kuksool
As an aside, the new Attorney General (also a member of the same party as Gov Doyle) launched a special team whose charge includes oversight of elections.

What's that about the fox in the henhouse?

12 posted on 11/12/2003 10:29:20 AM PST by Chummy
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To: Chummy
Doyle uber liberal...

Up to 55 percent of homosexual men with anorectal complaints have gonorrhea; 80 percent of the patients with syphilis are homosexuals," he wrote. "Chlamydia is found in 15 percent of asymptomatic homosexual men, and up to one third of homosexuals have active anorectal herpes simplex virus." He went on to point out, "In addition, a host of parasites, bacterial, viral, and protozoan are rampant in the homosexual population."

Health & Homosexuality Posted on 08/18/2003 9:32 PM CDT by Vindiciae Contra TyrannoSCOTUS

13 posted on 11/12/2003 10:35:20 AM PST by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: Chummy
WI's policy of allowing people to register to vote on election day needs to go. Poll workers need ample to make sure every registered voter is legitimate.

The election day voter registration is what enabled Doyle, Feingold, and Gore to win statewide.
14 posted on 11/12/2003 10:36:34 AM PST by Kuksool
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To: Chummy
Figures are approximate, from memory:

Average per-capita annual health premium, Statewide, private industry: $6,000.00

Average per-capita annual health premium, State of Wisconsin employees: $7,200.00

They get a Mercedes plan, folks. Doyle will "offset" with layoffs, but it's years 3, 4, and 5 which will be painful; health rates should average a gain of at LEAST 10%/year in those years.
15 posted on 11/12/2003 4:00:52 PM PST by ninenot (Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
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To: ninenot
..just the very notion of extending coverage willy-nilly, when it could be just some buddy who rooms with a state employee for a few months, when it could be a temporary arrangement between individuals, this is just bad policy.

It certainly is not the way to extend health coverage to more citizens, as the Gov has mentioned.

It's a quick way to further erode the family as the foundation of our society, the one that doesn't necessarily need that village.
16 posted on 11/12/2003 7:41:59 PM PST by Chummy
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