Governor Sidetracks Schiavo 's Lawsuit

Tampa Tribune ^ | Nov 12, 2003

[CindyDawg]

At the very least, if you were the judge wouldn't you personally talk to the three staff members that made these statements?

[george wythe]

August 7, 2001 - Judge Greer ignored all the evidence presented to him and ordered to have Terri's feeding stopped on August 28, 2001. In his written court order, he admitted he did not read six of the seven doctor's affidavits.

In October 2002, did Judge Greer hold a brand-new evidentiary hearing on the Schiavo case?

In 2002, were the Schindlers permitted to choose two doctors to examine Terri, to conduct any tests on Terri, and to examine Terri’s medical records, all expenses paid?

In 2002, were the Schindlers’ doctors allowed to video-tape their sessions with Terri?

In October 2002, were the Schindlers’ doctors asked to testify by Judge Greer and present their evidence to the court?

[sweetliberty]

"Are we now seeing reactions to a fear of loss of control/power ?"

Not a doubt in my mind of that, Cindy. The legislative and the executive actually do the job they are supposed to do, at the demand of the people (you know, those of us who consent as to how we will be governed), and the judicial and litigious tyrants are throwing a titanic temper tantrum and making a national spectacle of themselves.

[george wythe]

You may also be interested in this affidavit, by the first guardian ad litem, who said things that Judge Greer didn't want to hear, which is why he was removed as guardian ad litem:

Richard L. Pearse, Jr, Attorney at Law

Has Pearse change his views in this case?

Does Pearse now believe that his affidavit about Michael Schiavo's conflict interest is no longer applicable?

[sport]

If you are so pro assisted suicide, why don't you lead by example?

Be first in line to be assisted in comitting suicide.

[nicmarlo]

Gee, I guess the "Judge" was forced to act judicially; he certainly didn't do this on his own accord; rather he was forced to by the Appellate Court Orders directed at him. And it still took him quite awhile to get around to it.

IN THE DISTRICT COURT OF APPEAL OF FLORIDA
SECOND DISTRICT
Case No. 2D01-3626

Opinion filed October 17, 2001

III. PROCEEDINGS ON REMAND

Once the Schindlers and Mr. Schiavo have each designated their two physicians and the independent physician has been selected, the physicians shall have the opportunity to examine Mrs. Schiavo. The court shall authorize the expenditure and payment of the reasonable fees of the independent physician appointed by the court and all reasonable diagnostic tests. We anticipate that the physicians will want to obtain current EEG readings as well as brain scans performed using current technology. They may need to obtain diagnostic results from the tests typically given at a general physical. In the event that the doctors disagree upon the necessary tests or the guardian objects to a test on grounds that it may be too invasive or harmful to Mrs. Schiavo, the trial court will need to resolve the dispute. We recommend to the trial court that all five designated physicians file written reports with the trial court, and that the court then schedule an evidentiary hearing to resolve this matter.

http://www.2dca.org/opinion/October%2017,%202001/2d01-3626.pdf

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And then, when the "Judge" was supposed to have ordered an INDEPENDENT MEDICAL EXAMINATION performed on Terri, this is what the judge did:

Clearwater, FL September 16, 2003: Supporters of the Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation have uncovered a possible link to collusion in the legal proceedings involving attorney George Felos (representing Michael Schiavo) and the neurologist Dr. Peter Bambakidis (court appointed, independent, examining physician).

During the 2002 trials, the court ordered that two physicians would be chosen by Michael Schiavo, two would be chosen by Bob and Mary Schindler (Terri Schiavo’s parents) and one would be appointed by the court as an independent examining physician. All five physicians would later give testimony to the condition of Ms. Schiavo. The independent physician, Dr. Peter Bambakidis of Ohio, would testify in favor of Michael Schiavo in that Ms. Schiavo was in a persistent vegetative state and without hope of recovery.

Supporters of the Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation have learned that Dr. Bambakidis and attorney George Felos may have had a personal relationship prior to Dr. Bambakidis being assigned to the case on April 24, 2002.

In marketing materials promoting his seminars, Mr. Felos notes that he has served as a Governor for the American Hellenic Education Progressive Association http://www.zimp.org/felosflyer.pdf

Upon research, supporters discovered that the Ohio chapter of the American Hellenic Education Progressive Association was managed by Gust Bambakidis http://www.ahepa.org/chapters/ohio.html

Both Gust and Peter Bambakidis are graduates of Case Western University (Gust: http://www.wright.edu/academics/physics/faculty/index.htm,
Peter: http://www.fairviewhospital.org/education/internal/faculty.php) and are confirmed to be brothers. Both were born in Ohio and live there currently. Additionally, Nicholas Bambakidis (son of Gust and a neurologist) had, for some time, worked with Peter Bambakidis http://216.239.41.104/search?q=cache:3XGyCu5-zQgJ:mediswww.meds.cwru.edu/public_affairs/medlines/03aug.pdf+nicholas+bambakidis+cleveland+clinic&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

During testimony in 2002, Dr. Peter Bambakidis was asked repeatedly by attorney Patricia Anderson (representing Bob and Mary Schindler) if he had any personal relationship with attorney George Felos (http://www.zimp.org/bam.doc)
Dr. Bambakidis insisted that he did not know of Mr. Felos prior to being appointed by Judge Greer though he could not provide sufficient explanation as to his appointment nor had he ever testified in any similar court case prior to the 2002 trial of Terri Schindler-Schiavo.

The supporters of the Terri Schindler-Schiavo Foundation believe these coincidences to be indication of possible collusion in the case and are calling on state officials to launch a full and thorough investigation. This apparent connection raises many questions by the Foundation as to the neutrality and integrity of the proceedings. Supporters have complained that neither state officials nor press have investigated these irregularities. By copy of this release, notice will be given to Governor Jeb Bush, State Attorney Bernie McCabe and Florida’s Attorney General Charlie Crist.

[fly_so_free]

Since judge Greer is legally blind, how could he read any of this information, (from the nurse's and the 1st guardian) even if he wanted to?

I'd like to give him the benefit of the doubt, but it seems like it's been much easier for him to take the side of his friend Felos and just throw out any testimony or evidence that conflicts with what his friend Felos tells him.

Let's also add that the judge and his friend both have a connection to the hospice industy.

In Felo's case his connection just happens to be to the very hospice that Terri is in.

Nope, nothing to see here, move along................

[george wythe]

Gee, I guess the "Judge" was forced to act judicially; he certainly didn't do this on his own accord; rather he was forced to by the Appellate Court Orders directed at him. And it still took him quite awhile to get around to it.

Is that a Yes?

In October 2002, did Judge Greer hold a brand-new evidentiary hearing on the Schiavo case? Yes

In 2002, were the Schindlers permitted to choose two doctors to examine Terri, to conduct any tests on Terri, and to examine Terri’s medical records, all expenses paid? Yes

In 2002, were the Schindlers’ doctors allowed to video-tape their sessions with Terri? Yes

In October 2002, were the Schindlers’ doctors asked to testify by Judge Greer and present their evidence to the court? Yes

[wimpycat]

If you are so pro assisted suicide, why don't you lead by example? Be first in line to be assisted in comitting suicide.

Geez Louise, that's certainly uncalled for.

[nicmarlo]

Has Pearse change his views in this case? Does Pearse now believe that his affidavit about Michael Schiavo's conflict interest is no longer applicable?

Good question; but since Judge Greer in effect removed him, that's just something else that's "no longer relevant," is it?

Judge Demer has elected to have someone new appointed, instead. You can read all about Jay Wolfson, here: WHO IS DR. JAY WOLFSON

[george wythe]

Since judge Greer is legally blind, how could he read any of this information, (from the nurse's and the 1st guardian) even if he wanted to?

Can a "legally blind" person read or watch a video?

In 2003, did the three appellate judges watch all the Terri's court-ordered examination videos and read all the transcripts?

[sport]

Why?

[nicmarlo]

Why are there some many yes answers there? Oh yes, because Judge Greer was made to act like a judge by the Appellate Court. Otherewise, they'd ALL BE NO'S.

Thanks so much for MAKING MY POINT: This judge is a FARCE, Gov. Bush.

[george wythe]

Has Pearse change his views in this case? Does Pearse now believe that his affidavit about Michael Schiavo's conflict interest is no longer applicable?

Good question; but since Judge Greer in effect removed him, that's just something else that's "no longer relevant," is it?

Is that a Yes?

Has Pearse changed his views in this case? Yes

Does Pearse now believe that his affidavit about Michael Schiavo's conflict interest is no longer applicable? Yes

[nicmarlo]

Is that a Yes? THAT WOULD BE A NO.

Has Pearse changed his views in this case? THAT WOULD BE A NO.

Does Pearse now believe that his affidavit about Michael Schiavo's conflict interest is no longer applicable? THAT WOULD BE A NO.


You are dense, george

[george wythe]

Oh yes, because Judge Greer was made to act like a judge by the Appellate Court

In 2003, did the Second District Court of Appeals also agree with Judge Greer's ruling?

[wimpycat]

Oh, if you have to ask why, then never mind. If the "you're pro-assisted suicide, so go kill yourself" argument is a legitimate rebuttal within reasoned debate to you, then just never mind...

[nicmarlo]

III. PROCEEDINGS ON REMAND -> THAT WOULD BE ANOTHER NO GEORGE. duh.

[Future Useless Eater]

>>Why are the governor's lawyers trying to move this lawsuit to Tallahassee?

A few of us went into detail on this when it first happened. Find the Connor memo and our discussions of it. It was pretty clear and interesting.

>> ?They are just postponing the inevitable by using delaying tactics. They know they will lose their case and are trying to buy a few more days before Terri's tube is removed again.

No, I don't think so, read on...

>> ?They think that Tallahassee judges will be more amenable to hear the governor's case.

well, yes and no. State law and state judicial rules already clearly define HOW and WHERE to go about challenging the constitutionality of a State law. Those rules are very detailed, and specify Tallahassee. There are a dozen or so OTHER rules Greer violated in his process here.

You're slightly right though, in that Tallahassee has not already condemned Terri to death several times. Pinellas county is more likely to rule against her based on the exact same old rationalle.

Greer's actions and memorandum indicate he intends to stick with all the existing 'facts' that he determined to be true in the past. But state laws say there are no facts yet determined in this case. EVERY previously disputed FINDING has to now be re-discovered, and possibly decided by a jury trial if disputed, since the state and it's lawyers were not part of the case at that time. The state 'might' have argued those earlier 'facts' much better than Terri's lawyers did, and if so, she might never have gotten put onto death row.

>> ? Even if they lose in Tallahassee, the case will go to the First District Court of Appeals, not the Second District Court of Appeals. They might consider the First District Court of Appeals as friendlier to the governor.

Good point... I'd say the 2nd district can NOT be impartial, and should NOT be in the appeals path, because they have condemned her on appeal, multiple times in the past.

If it DOES stay in the 2nd district, then those judges who ruled earlier, should at least recuse themselves. There are 12 judges there total, so that should NOT be a hardship.

I can find some of those earlier threads later if you like

[sweetliberty]

"either miraculously heal her or show definite signs of improvement that nobody at all could argue with, or take her quickly and naturally, without the intervention of mere mortals."

I would have to agree wholeheartedly with that. Problem is, I'm afraid at this point that if Terri got herself out her bed, walked down the hall, and said, "let me out of here," the HINO would get wind of it and have her heavily sedated and George Felos would go into hyperdrive spin cycle to explain it away. They seriously want this woman dead and their willful determination to see it done just isn't natural. A husband who was truly acting in his wife's best interest, would at some point, especially now, stand back and at least say to himself, "maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I should take some time and rethink it it." I see no evidence that he has ever done that. I see a lot of evidence that he just wants her out of the way.