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To: Gargantua
"you'll never stop people who want to from buying inebriants."

Of course not. But you can try to minimize it. You can use the laws to send a message, especially to teens, that drug use is unacceptable in our society.

As an example, teens say that marijuana is easier to obtain than alcohol. Yet twice as many teens use alcohol as marijuana. Why? Because society says alcohol is OK.

Not convinced? In Alaska, marijuana is legal (for adults, at home, under 4oz.). Teen use of marijuana in Alaska rose to twice the national average. The citizens of Alaska were so outraged that they drafted and passed a referendum to re-criminalize possession.

"It would be another matter if the WOD were in any measure successful, but it isn't. Every angle you look at it from, it's a complete disaster."

What a bunch of crap! Drug use is down from the 70's, and has been flat for the last 15 years. The chart below is for marijuana, the most popular recreational drug. Go to the (anti-WOD, btw) website on the chart to see that the trends for other drugs look the same.

What? Confused by the facts? I guess that since drug use isn't zero, the WOD is a failure "from every angle", huh?

But legalizing alcohol use was a roaring success? 100,000 people dying every year (not including traffic deaths) from alcohol related problems is a success? 14 million alcoholics is a success? Arresting 1.5 million people each year for DUI because they might commit a crime is a success?

How many people died from alcohol during prohibition? How many broken homes and broken lives were caused by alcoholism during prohibition? How many DUI arrests during prohibition?

You have a very strange way of defining "success".

142 posted on 11/12/2003 8:15:16 AM PST by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
"But legalizing alcohol use was a roaring success? 100,000 people dying every year (not including traffic deaths) from alcohol related problems is a success? 14 million alcoholics is a success? Arresting 1.5 million people each year for DUI because they might commit a crime is a success?

You have a very strange way of defining "success"."

Excuse me, but these are your words, not mine. I never said that legalizing alchohol was a "success." I said that legalizing alchohol took the money people spent on booze out of the Black Market. Which it did, by the way.

Your need to erect and then topple otherwise nonexistent straw men does not enhance your argument, and only paints you as a deceptive extremist who is willing to deceive in order to further his lacking agenda.

You make a good point, though, in that your comparison points out that drugs are drugs, and that it is indefensibly hypocritical in the extreme to legalize deadly booze and make illegal something as relatively harmless as pot.

Go peddle your illogical, deceitful, reactionary phlegm on someone gullible enough to take the hook.

;-/

146 posted on 11/12/2003 9:42:08 AM PST by Gargantua (Embrace clarity.)
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To: robertpaulsen
"But legalizing alcohol use was a roaring success? 100,000 people dying every year (not including traffic deaths) from alcohol related problems is a success? 14 million alcoholics is a success? Arresting 1.5 million people each year for DUI because they might commit a crime is a success?

You have a very strange way of defining "success"."

Excuse me, but these are your words, not mine. I never said that legalizing alchohol was a "success." I said that legalizing alchohol took the money people spent on booze out of the Black Market. Which it did, by the way.

Your need to erect and then topple otherwise nonexistent straw men does not enhance your argument, and implies strongly that, absent the deceit, you have no other way of advancing your lacking agenda.

You unintentionally make a good point, though, in that your comparison points out that drugs are drugs, and that it is indefensibly hypocritical in the extreme to legalize deadly booze and make illegal something as relatively harmless as pot.

You would do far better to go and peddle your illogical, deceitful, reactionary phlegm on someone gullible enough to take the hook.

;-/

147 posted on 11/12/2003 9:45:36 AM PST by Gargantua (Embrace clarity.)
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To: robertpaulsen
You are conflating a litany of errors: Alcohol has always been 90% of addiction and death due to use of intoxicants. This is true, with small variations, throughout the world and throughout history, no matter what other drugs are legal. And, if you think about it, this is also obvious: Hard drug use is such a minority pursuit, and it is self limiting, and hardcore addicts don't pay attention to laws, so laws are utterly doomed to make little if any difference in hard drug use. Ironically, your marijuana graph shows "success" in supressing what would be a more benign intoxicant.
148 posted on 11/12/2003 1:40:32 PM PST by eno_ (Freedom Lite - it's almost worth defending)
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