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The 2004 Election is Over, Now
Special to FreeRepublic ^ | 11 November 2003 | John Armor (Congressman Billybob)

Posted on 11/09/2003 10:39:19 AM PST by Congressman Billybob

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To: al baby
Since one-third of my article deals with the precise possibility (Hillary! for President) that you refer to, why do you call me a "silly poster"? Or, didn't you read the last half of the article?

John / Billybob

21 posted on 11/09/2003 11:26:25 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: pabianice
No, Hillary! has no more chance to defeat Bush than Dean does. Quarrel my facts and my logic if you choose. Visceral fear is not a substitute for analysis.

John / Billybob

22 posted on 11/09/2003 11:28:19 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
I remain highly suspicious of Dean's fund-raising over the internet. It would be quite easy for a big-bucks donor to deposit money in a complicit bank (Citibank comes to mind), which would set up a bunch of small credit card accounts. Each account would be given the limit just under the amount which triggers the FEC to require information on the donor.

A computer program can be set to automatically donate to Dean at a predetermined time (like when he announces a "fundraiser" on the net) and the money is transferred to Dean from all those dummy credit card accounts. The accounts are then paid from the funds deposited by the donor.

Democrats do not donate small amounts over a long period of time to a primary candidate. I have two democrats in my family, and one (my union brother) NEVER donates, as he counts on the union to do so. The other, one of my sisters, donates only as the general election approaches, and she gives small amounts one time.

Democrats have NOT been able to count on small donors for a long time. Why does Dean suddenly have all these donors? I maintain that it is an elaborate fraud, and one which will remain hidden unless we get lucky.

23 posted on 11/09/2003 11:29:15 AM PST by Miss Marple
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To: Congressman Billybob
Excellent anaysis. What you say is that if Dean doesn't get 50%+ of the democrat votes, Hillary can usurp the process and take the nomination all the way to the end.

But, she only does that if it is clear Dean will lose (I think likely) and she will win.

Dean's rats will vote for whoever the D is in the game. They will protest but they will vote for sure. These guys would vote for OBL (dead and all).

What is missing in your analysis is what new scandel that the rats are going to invent coming into the election (see memogate). They will scream and cry that it is the end of the world. They will play to stay in the game until the river card and then hope for the best (worst).
24 posted on 11/09/2003 11:32:57 AM PST by Joe_October (Saddam supported Terrorists. Al Qaeda are Terrorists. I can't find the link.)
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To: Timesink
I didn’t say they were going to take the Congress on the contrary, I DON’T believe they will be able to do it. What I said is I believe that’s their real goal. If a democrat wins the White House, that leaves Hillary out in the cold in ’08. But if they could get their hands on Congressional seats, they can set Hillary up to win next time.

Don’t forget who the players are behind the scenes. You have James (serpent head) Carville and Bill Clinton pulling the strings with McCauliff, fund raiser-in-chief and mud slinger. They are the masters of manipulation and dirty tricks.
25 posted on 11/09/2003 11:33:17 AM PST by BMC1
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To: hflynn
And exactly what lesson would that be?
26 posted on 11/09/2003 11:37:33 AM PST by clintonh8r (This isn't rocket surgery, people.)
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To: BMC1
Your suggestion about the Democrats taking control of either the House or the Senate is foolish. If you've been following the Texas redistricting flap, you know that was about the Republicans gaining another five Congressmen from that state alone, by making the boundaries of the districts reflect by results the voting preferences of Texas citizens.

If you have been following the resignations of Southern Democratic Senators, including Zell Miller, you know that the Republicans stand to pick up four or five Senators -- even if Thune decides to retake his House seat and doesn't hand Li'l Tommy Dashcle his well-deserved and final defeat.

In short, the Democrats have zero chance to take control of either House of Congress, based on hard-headed analysis of the facts on the ground. I'd be curious to see why you think otherwise.

Especially, why do you think the "real strategy" is to retake the House and Senate at the same time that the Democrats' presidential nominee is going down the toilet? It's sort of like throwing a drowning man an anchor rather than a life buoy, don't you think?

John / Billybob

27 posted on 11/09/2003 11:37:41 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Good analysis, but one wonders what the 'Rats must be thinking if they acquiesce to the nomination of Howard the Doc.

From a policy standpoint, the man is a disaster, combining as he does the worst features of McGovernite cut-and-run foreign policy, Carterish one-worldism, and Mondalesque tax hikes. Electorally, he's even worse; no geographic base to speak of, only some unions and (maybe) the traditional black, homosexual, professioriat, and lockstep loony lefty voting base.

What states do he or the 'Rats think he'll carry, f'Heaven's sake? VT, ok, probably. MA ME, likely enough, RI, too. CT? Tossup, at best. NH, forget it. NY, assuming Hitlery doesn't torpedo his ass, very possibly as is NJ. But south of there, he's got only DC and a shot at MD. Scratch PA and OH -- battleground states no more, or at least not with Howard the Doc as the head of the ticket.

MI? Dunno -- can our MI FReeper friends tell how much influence the Mohammedan vote has in Wayne Co. and statewide? Enough to tip it? I've no idea. IL is a possible, courtesy of Crook County and the utter disarray of the Pubbies there. WI, don't think so, I believe the idiot Gov there has stabbed the 'Rats in the knee with his shenanigans on marriage and CCW. MN, far less likely than in 2000, and IA goes in the GOP column this time, too.

Which leaves, fapp for the 'Rats, NM, CA, OR, WA, HI, and conceivably NV -- and they'll lose a couple of those states, likely enough, esp. if the economy is into a solid recovery. What's that add up to? Maybe 130-140 EVs, best case, and could be well under 100 if Dean continues to make remarks weird enough to make the average psychotic look like Einstein. Hell's bells, even the inept Dole did better than that.

OK, that's my 2 cents, take it from there.

28 posted on 11/09/2003 11:37:44 AM PST by SAJ
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To: Congressman Billybob
Based on a bumper sticker count Dean will carry NH comforably, even in Mass I haven't seen alot of stickers for other cantidates, Kerry included.

I am curious how the revilation the Kerry is not even a little bit Green will cost him among the Irish vote.

29 posted on 11/09/2003 11:40:27 AM PST by Little Bill ("Roosevelt was the first Dictator of the United States"...My Grandfather)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Your analysi is encouraging for it predicts that this will be reallity.

Let's not sit back in self assurance but continue to work hard to ensure that it does in fact become reality.

30 posted on 11/09/2003 11:44:57 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Wolfstar
I don't, my friend, take the election for granted at all. All successful elections require thousands of people and hundreds of thousands of dollars -- even in a small District like the 11th in North Carolina, where I may be running.

The money has to be spent wisely. The volunteers have to be well organized and well motivated. But mechanics and facts on the ground do determine whether a given candidate in a given election is almost certainly dead meat. Or whether his/her opponent is almost certainly a winner.

Imagine pitting the Oklahoma football team against Harvard. No rational person would bet on Harvard. But you still do have to play the game. It is still necessary to "execute." And Karl Rove is a past master at "execution" in political campaigns.

John / Billybob

31 posted on 11/09/2003 11:45:18 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
She will not attempt to do that until two conditions have been met. They are: 1. Dean has in hand almost, but not quite enough, delegates to the Democratic convention for a mathematical lock on the nomination. 2. All major polls agree that Dean is headed for a Dukakis-sized defeat at the hands of George Bush.

He is neglecting the third and most important condition; Hillery would have to be relatively sure she could beat Dubya. I believe she would only consider it if the economy is tanking and Dubya's approval rating is significantly below 50%, in the 40% range. My bet is she will wait until 2008.

POKER NOTE

They are "table stakes" games. That means any competitor can at any time go "all in."

The term the author is looking for here is "no limit". "Table stakes" means that you can only play with money already on the table when the hand starts. You can add money between hands, but not during the hand.

32 posted on 11/09/2003 11:46:07 AM PST by Hugin
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To: Congressman Billybob
I certainly have been paying attention but I also know that counting your chickens before they hatch is stupid. Take a lesson from the tortoise and the hare. The hare thought he was a sure winner but he lost.

I’m making the point that it’s time to be vigilant and this is no time to take anything for granted. We still have to work HARD to make sure the dems don’t win anything. Anything can happen between now and the election and with the dirty tricks and the lies the dems will throw out there, now is not the time to be smug.
33 posted on 11/09/2003 11:47:08 AM PST by BMC1
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To: SandRat
No wonder the dems have a donkey for a mascot. They're all JACKA$$ES.
34 posted on 11/09/2003 11:48:40 AM PST by BMC1
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To: Miss Marple
Very interesting issue you raise, my friend. It is possible that Dean could be running a scam. And you're right that the pattern of his contributions doesn't match anything previously known in presidential campaigns.

I hope that some computer gurus are, even as we speak, having a look-see at the question you raise.

John / Billybob

35 posted on 11/09/2003 11:48:45 AM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: Congressman Billybob
Great stuff, Billybob.

I'm not quite as convinced as you are about the outcomes of the Democrat nomination and the general election, but I'm leaning that way in both cases.

At this point, I'd say Dean is almost even money to take the nomination. His decision to forego matching funds has to be a psychological blow to the other dwarves, and will bring confidence to his followers. Still, it should be noted that 1) not a single delegate has yet been selected, and it might be a tad early for the coronation; 2) Dean, as the leader for the nomination, will get ganged up on by the others, as we saw in the aftermath of the pickup truck/Confederate flag flap; 3) Dean, being hot-tempered, will have ample opportunity to again "step in it"; and 4) I question whether Dean can carry South Carolina against a field that will have been effectively narrowed by then, even if there are no official dropouts.

I confess to still having a touch of Gephardtphobia. If he manages to win the Iowa caucus (which he must to remain viable; 2nd place in a Midwestern state by the only major Midwestern candidate won't cut it), he could survive a 3rd place finish in New Hampshire, and look toward the South, where he is (inexplicably) viewed by some as a moderate.

Everyone will have his opinion, of course, and everyone's guesses will change based on events (I, for instance, had thought Graham would have made an impact, and I couldn't have been more off the mark). As of now, I'd give Dean a 45% chance of taking the nomination; Gephardt 15%; Kerry 10%; Hillary 10% (things would have to break "just right" for her to "parachute in," as you pointed out); and the rest combined 20%. Clark was among the leaders for a few hours, as I recall; it looks like he has the staying power of a soap bubble.

With respect to the general election, I think a failure of our incipient economic recovery is the only thing that could beat President Bush. Certainly I'd feel better about his chances even if the recovery falters if Dean is the nominee. But any Democratic candidate who could manage to couch his image in moderate terms could be dangerous under such circumstances. "It's the economy, stupid" could still resonate if the stock market re-tanks and the payroll rebound reverses.

I'm optimistic with regard to both the economy and the general election. But I don't see it as a lock.

36 posted on 11/09/2003 11:50:00 AM PST by southernnorthcarolina (John Edwards is among the 99% of lawyers who give the rest a bad name.)
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To: BMC1
My grandfather always said that there had to be a psychological reason behind why the Dems chose a Jacka*** for their party symbol.
38 posted on 11/09/2003 11:52:42 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Congressman Billybob
I wonder if hflynn was making a statement that assassinations have a way changing the political landscape very quickly...and that GW is in very critical danger right now?(With all due respect to the internet sniffers, I am a die hard GW FAN!)
39 posted on 11/09/2003 11:52:44 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: Congressman Billybob
Excellent summary of the situation. With the economy receding as an issue, that leaves Iraq and terrorism. None of the Democrats who have foreign policy credibility can adequately appeal to their own left wing primary voters. Except possibly Gebhardt. He leads in the Iowa polling and should run better than Dean in the south. I see a two man race therefore, Dean and and Dick. Because of the loss of manufacturing jobs to China issue, Dick probably has some support in the midwest as well. I'm picking Gebhardt. He still loses big to Bush, however.
40 posted on 11/09/2003 11:53:06 AM PST by 2iron
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