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To: independentmind
Make sure you address the occurence of pedophila in the Protestant denominations,also. You will have to explain why the absence of the celibacy requirement does not prevent pedophilia from occuring at the same frequency as in the Catholic Church. Or didn't you know that?
Of course there is pedophilia and homosexuality in the Protestant churches as well. But not, as you claim, at the same frequency as it does in the Catholic church.

Citations to your claim, please, or we will assume that you're just making up your statistic.


61 posted on 11/08/2003 9:43:11 AM PST by DallasMike
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To: DallasMike
I can't do it right now, but rest assured I can document my claim and will do so.
63 posted on 11/08/2003 9:44:31 AM PST by independentmind
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To: DallasMike; Coleus
Of course there is pedophilia and homosexuality in the Protestant churches as well. But not, as you claim, at the same frequency as it does in the Catholic church. Citations to your claim, please, or we will assume that you're just making up your statistic.

If you haven't done so already, Coleus, could you educate this ignorant soul?
246 posted on 11/09/2003 6:41:26 PM PST by Antoninus (In hoc signo, vinces †)
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To: DallasMike; independentmind; Antoninus
Of course there is pedophilia and homosexuality in the Protestant churches as well. But not, as you claim, at the same frequency as it does in the Catholic church. Citations to your claim, please, or we will assume that you're just making up your statistic.>>>>

But not, as you claim, at the same frequency as it does in the Catholic church.>>>

Yes, you're right, it's WORSE in the PROTESTant Churches. Remember, Ye must be born again, born again to do what? Read below:

726 PROTESTant MINISTERS ABUSE CHILDREN

http://www.reformation.com/CSA/startPage.html

http://www.cin.org/users/msmith/reformation/baptistsabuse.html

Catholic bashing and pedophile priests
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=26955

Minister Rapes Teen
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/0530minister-sexcharge-ON.html

Sex scandals also affect Protestant clergy
http://www.freep.com/news/religion/prot5_20020405.htm

U.S. Protestants also facing sex abuse scandals
Expert: Frequency of abuse by Protestant clergy may equal that of Catholic priests
http://www.thehollandsentinel.net/stories/040602/rel_040602027.shtml

Accusations filed against NY ministers
http://www.layman.org/layman/news/news-from-pcusa/accusations-filed-against-ny-ministers.htm

Protestant Clergy Abuse
http://polycafe.com/sacredfire/sacredfire-2002/3305.htm
Sex scandals also affect Protestant clergy
http://www.reformation.com/CSA/HowthescandalsaredifferentforProtestants.htm
U.S. Protestants also facing sex abuse scandals
Expert: Frequency of abuse by Protestant clergy may equal that of Catholic priests
http://www.thehollandsentinel.net/stories/040602/rel_040602027.shtml
Catholic clergy singled out, historian says
http://www.detnews.com/2002/religion/0204/13/a09-457640.htm
Sex abuse spans spectrum of churches
http://www.csmonitor.com/2002/0405/p01s01-ussc.html


A 14-year-old girl in foster care is raped and impregnated by Deacon Stephen Andrews of the Advent Christian Church in Kennebunk, Maine, a trusted figure. She gives birth. Andrews gets 5 years in prison, 3 of them suspended, despite the protests of the prosecutor.

Salvation Army Captain William Douglas is convicted of molesting, sodomizing and sexually terrorizing young Indian boys in a village in British Columbia. Douglas was acquitted of similar charges in 1985; the judge said he could not accept that a minister would lie.

Born-again Delaware preacher William J. Keichline, Sr. is commended by the legislature for running Mission of Care ministry for the homeless. As a landlord he assaults and rapes a girl for 3 years starting when she is 7, threatening to evict her family if she tells. He gets eight 20 year prison terms for rape, bondage and child pornography.

Included in the study were prominent clergy and evangelists who had made names for themselves through special ministries or "good works."

The profile of the typical minister charged with molesting children: a 45-year-old man (ages ranged from 24 to 80 at the time of arrest), with 4 to 5 named victims, most often boys in their early teens.

Of all the accused, 37% involved female victims, 58% male victims, and 3.2% children of both sexes. (In 1% of the cases, the sex of the victim was not identified.)

Charges for all 190 cases involved a total of 847 victims. Most ministers, however, were suspected of molesting many other children. Conservatively, the 190 clergy had at least 4,000 other victims, for a low estimate of an average of 21 victims each. These children were not included in charges for pragmatic legal reasons, because they had been molested in other cities and times, or because the statute of limitations had been exceeded. Some estimates were anecdotal based on investigations or confessions by the molester.

Convicted ministers averaged 5 victims each, with 133 ministers molesting at least 651 named victims.

Information on the marital status of Protestants, gleaned from newspaper accounts so therefore incomplete, showed that at least 43% were married. This would dispel the idea that celibacy alone triggers ministerial child molestation. Twelve cases involved clergy charged with molesting their own children, stepchildren, adopted children or foster children.

While many see therapy as a panacea for this crime, only about a third of the convicted ministers and priests had had some kind of counseling or psychiatric evaluation, mandated or otherwise.

Typical Profile

The average age of priests charged last year with sexual abuse of children was 50 years. The range was 35 to 73 years.

The average Protestant minister was 46 years, with a similar range.

Many Previous Records

Shockingly, 11 out of 46 Protestant ministers charged in 1990 with criminal sexual abuse had prior convictions--almost a quarter of the cases:

All prior convictions were since 1985. Most of the men received light sentences enabling them to return to the pulpit--and continued sexual abuse of children--quickly. Churches are not only failing to check ministers' records, but in some instances are knowingly hiring convicted child molesters.

Five of the 23 nonordained Protestant church workers charged last year had had run-ins with authorities, including one discharged from the Navy for molesting boys.

In 22% of the cases, cover-ups shielding Protestant ministers were reported, in a variety of denominations. These included out-of-court settlements, defrocking a suspected child abuser but not notifying authorities about the abuse, "spiritual support," complicity, congregations applauding accused abusers, and telling reporters "The whole church knows he's not guilty," and "We're solidly behind him." "Satan can get his claws into anyone," said the friend of an Episcopalian rector accused of 73 counts of sodomizing and abusing mentally and emotionally handicapped boys before church functions.

The most blatant cover-up involved a Salvation Army minister who was permitted to keep his job and given continuing access to children after back-to-back arrests for sexually abusing children at the church.
253 posted on 11/09/2003 7:41:15 PM PST by Coleus (Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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