180 pounds of nuclear material missing in Canada

WABC | November 7, 2003 | John Loftus

[meanie monster]

WORD!

[Cindy]

U R Welkum (Hooked on Fonix werked for me tu)

[Dan Evans]

Why does everyone assume that they would use nuclear waste in a bomb. If you set off a bomb this is what will happen:

1) A few people might be killed from the immediate effect of the blast and a few more from radiation.

2) Bomb squad is called & someone checks for radiation.

3) Area (size of a football field) is sealed off. Guys in lead suits clean up.

They could kill more people with box cutters and an airplane.

But on the other hand suppose they just laid the stuff in an area with a lot of pedestrian traffic -- like a mall or the entrance to a sports stadium. People will get irradiated and get sick and die hours later. It will take a long time to trace down the source.

What am I missing?

[bonesmccoy]

Get this nexus...

Some other FR reader just posted a message about the Russians cutting a deal with the French for access to Kourou, French Guiana's ESA launch facilities.

Get it?

The Russians are building a heavy-launch capability from which they can launch near the equator. When you loft rockets from the equator, you can have more payload due to the orbital mechanics.

The Russians are becoming major cooperative partners in a strategic sense. Provided those Russian rockets lofted from French Guiana go to International Space Station with more supplies.

Also... in a more strategic play...

If the US has been floating Japanese defense costs, something needs to return the favor. If the Russians build oil capabilities in Siberia, the Japanese could build refining capabilities. This lowers the cost of fuel in Japan (the 2nd largest economy on Earth). Excess production can be exported to So. Korea, Taiwan, and Singapore... the exact reverse of the set-up of WW-2 (where Japan was cut off from oil production/refining by FDR).

If Russia gets to basically export oil to Manchuria/China/Korea either directly or thru refineries in Japan, the Russians can accelerate consumer electronics production, computer technology (which they've been sorely lacking), and pin the Chinese between themselves and the 3 Asian Capitalistic nations (So. Korean/Japan/Taiwan).

The lynch pin in this asian equation is North Korea... if Rice/Powell come up with the right strategy to revolutionize North Korea, it will could lead to the end of Communism in China (the last major hold out of totalitarian communism in the world).

The ultimate goal has to be to end Communism in China.... regardless of their stated goals, they are still communistic and do not defend free expression... Russia is now more free than China... and has it's missiles targetted at us.

Japan, South Korea, Taiwan, and the US can cooperate on ballistic missile defense. However, the launch sites from Japan and the US are relatively far North. South Korea has no launch capability. Taiwan also lacks facilities.

Guess who has the capability to launch heavier payloads to orbit?

Russia.

Guess who has the best launch site?

France.

Guess who needs ballistic missile defense?

Japan/So.Korea/Taiwan/US

Guess who knows how to build an integrated ballistic missile defense?

USA

Here's my view of this nexus:
1. USA organizes international ballistic missile defense coalition with international early warning system
2. Russian rocket from French Guyana launches Russian component of international ballistic missile defense systems.
3. Japan/Korea/Taiwan buy participation in international early warning system.
4. Japan/Korea/Taiwan utilize ground based and air-based ballistic missile defense systems (US technology).
5. USA launches continental ballistic missile defense system under military control from Vandenberg AFB in California.
6. System is paid for by people consuming Russian oil, refined in Japan/Korea/Taiwan.

[JustPiper]

Ping

[meanie monster]

I dunno, they are hell bent on getting us, I'm sure of that, but, I am on the sauce too.

[bonesmccoy]

Well, for one thing, the original report is false.

But, with regards to your discussion of radiological contamination, the US has alot of experience in containing and handling radiation.

Some people are talking tonight about cargo jets being hijacked. I do not see such a hijacking as being related to the use of radiological weapons (just as you seem to think).

The most insidious WMD is biological... it can not be detected until far too late (after people start to become ill and possibly die).

Radiation is fairly easy to detect. Viruses are very difficult to I.D.

Unless the terrorist targets a specific key traffic choke point, you wouldn't have much adverse economic impact by the act of exploding even a dirty bomb.

And, if you consider our major economic trade points, due to the advent of great communications tools, major traffic points could always be rerouted within days.

[Cindy]

U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE - Public Announcement: "WORLDWIDE CAUTION"(Read More...)

[WhiteGuy]

Well, at least he's stuck in Canada and has no way of crossing the border into the US.................

Oh wait..............

[Travis McGee]

You'll change your tune after we lose a few cities.

We're going to find out, sooner or later,

If Osama will pray, to a smoking crater.

[meanie monster]

Things are making sense now. WOW!

[bonesmccoy]

we ain't gonna lose any cities... they don't have the bomb... don't you think we would of seen it by now?

[JustPiper]

Well Cal here is our scenario in order:

NY,LA,DC
several months ago dirtybomb material stolen
Cargo Planes
Scuba Divers
Missing Terrorists
US warning in Saudi-threat has gone 'beyond' planning stages to implementation stage

All we've been decrying all week is real and the naysayers will still complain the threat level hasn't been raised so we're safe!

[JustPiper]

The warnings from AlQ operatives all week have referred to NY,DC,LA, it is there fascination and their plans, we're just reporting the findings

[JustPiper]

Add this to the list:
A dozen keys to top-secret rooms inside a U.S. nuclear-weapons research facility have gone missing, prompting national security concerns.

HOMELAND INSECURITY - 12 keys missing at nuke-arms lab Research facility site of FBI probe into suspected Chinese espionage

And I listened to Fox's speech on CSpan yesterday:
We are working very closely witha Sandia, great huh?

[bonesmccoy]

Voice of America is reporting the story about the Russians and French...
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France, Russia Sign Agreement On Rocket Launches
VOA News
07 Nov 2003, 23:28 UTC

France and Russia have signed an agreement calling for the launch of Russian Soyuz-class rockets from the Kourou space center in French Guiana.
The agreement, which gives Russia access to the European space center, was signed Friday in Paris by French Prime Minister Pierre Raffarin and Russian Deputy Prime Minister Boris Alyoshin.

Starsem, the Russian-European company that operates Soyuz rockets, says Kourou's location near the equator helps reduce fuel consumption and, therefore, mission costs once the rockets fly into space.

The parties agreed to build a launching pad for Soyuz rockets, which will then be used to launch commercial satellites into space. Russia's official ITAR-TASS news agency quoted an official as saying the first Soyuz launch from Kourou will take place in 2006.

Soyuz rockets currently lift off from the Baikonour space port in the former Soviet republic of Kazakhstan.

[Dan Evans]

It's pretty hard to carry 180lbs of stuff in a briefcase. Not to mention setting off every radiation detector around.

Maybe what they are really talking about is one pound of radioactive material and 179 lbs of shielding.

[Dan Evans]

It's pretty hard to carry 180lbs of stuff in a briefcase. Not to mention setting off every radiation detector around.

Maybe what they are really talking about is one pound of radioactive material and 179 lbs of shielding.

[Travis McGee]

Sooner or later, they will get lucky and get hold of a few kilos of anthrax, or a bit of smallpox, or crash an LNG tanker into a downtown, etc. Or they will succeed with the next Operation Bojinka and smuggle bombs onto 20 passenger jets, all set with timers to go off at the same second. (2# of semtex in a shaving cream can with a casio watch timer, for instance.) Sooner or later, their most evil fantasies of destruction of the West are going to succeed. They won't stop until we stop them. What will stop them is pricking the bubble of their insane murder cult, the talisman of omnipower which motivates them, the black moon-god rock.

It may take years, but that is the end game, IMHO.

[bonesmccoy]

I guess I don't see this war as a war against Islam.

I see it as a battle against "MILITANT" Islam.

I know many people who are Muslim and do not pose any threat to any of us. They aren't any different from us... they're Americans, enjoying life in the US, have family, and cherish peace.

So, the problem isn't really Islam... the problem is the militant fascist view of OBL/Bathists/etc.

Control of media in that Middle East may be needed to really change things. I wonder where Ruppert Murdoch's satellite investments are located w.r.t. middle eastern nations.