Kyoto critics better duck

Calgary Herald ^ | 11/4/2003 | Michael Campbell

[Dan Evans]

The good thing about all this publicity is that it will force Mann to respond. He originally rebuffed inqueries from McIntyre and McKitrick and even said he had no intention to reply. Now that the klieg lights are on him he's on the spot.

[AndyTheBear]

I'm sure that Cheney, Haliburton and the evil GW were responsible for the global warming back then.

Exactly, we already know they have a time machine (which they used to start the dot com bust and the California energy shortage).

[Darksheare]

Don't forget the evil Cabalists from the alternate dimension and the dimensional portal shamblers with the plans on whirled domination.

[Grampa Dave]

As long as they can be linked to the evil Cheney, Haliburton and of course GW. :)

[Darksheare]

In the alternate dimension, Cheney is supreme Ruler of the Empire of Haliburton, and Dubya is Grand High Imperitor..
/ joke.

Wonder how many people will actually take this seriously?

[Grampa Dave]

A whole lot of whackos in California take those jokes very seriously.

[Darksheare]

Kalifornistan takes the mating habits of rare flies that live 30 miles apart seriously and wanted to make a 'corridor' through which one fly in one group could fly to another fly 30 miles away, all without human interference in between.
*snort*
So I have no doubt that right now a bunch of CaliforniGreenies are going bizzak about this..

[Fzob]

stated that it should lead the scientific community to the "inescapable conclusion that climate variability has been a natural occurrence."

Yes, it should, but it won't. The real beast to kill is the why it this won't lead the scientific community back to real science.

[Faraday]

Kyoto is a monster that is not dead.

Perhaps not. But the Russians have critically wounded it. Following is a Wall Street Journal editorial from 10/28/03:

Cool on Warming

If a much-heralded global treaty falls in Siberia, is it news? Apparently not in the U.S. media or Senate, where proponents are still selling the Kyoto climate control treaty a month after Russian President Vladimir Putin all but iced it.

Environmental lobbies aren't known for reticence, but an odd silence has overtaken them since Mr. Putin offered his coup-de-Kyoto at the World Climate Change Conference in Moscow earlier this month. The delegates assumed the Russian would announce his government's intention to ratify the treaty. But instead he delivered an emperor-has-no-clothes speech that stunned the audience -- and changed the global warming debate.

Mr. Putin acknowledged that Russia would get an initial boost from the treaty as it sold spare quotas for carbon dioxide emissions. But having promised to double the size of the Russian economy in 10 years, he went on to say that Kyoto would soon become an economic albatross.

Even worse for the warming clergy, the Russian dared to dispute the science underpinning Kyoto . Mr. Putin said he has learned that we simply don't know why temperatures are rising, how recent trends relate to long-term temperature variations and, above all, whether or not changing human behavior would matter to any of this.

Finally, to gasps of horror, Mr. Putin noted that it would hardly be a tragedy if Siberia warmed a couple of degrees or if Russians had to "spend less money on fur coats." He added what is obvious to Americans who live anywhere north of Chicago, namely that warming temperatures would probably help Russia's agricultural output. The growing season is short in Siberia.

We'd have thought all of this was news, especially because at this point Russia holds an effective veto over Kyoto . The treaty requires countries representing 55% of emissions to sign up before it takes effect, and so far nations amounting to 44% have ratified. If Russia doesn't ratify with its 17% emissions share, Kyoto will be deader than those earlier theories about the looming global ice age.

On the other hand, perhaps this is precisely why the Sierra Club and friends are so quiet. They know this Russian challenge undercuts their refrain that the U.S. is the world's sole global scofflaw on climate change. With China also skeptical, the Bush Administration can now claim a majority of global opinion for its Kyoto opposition. Perhaps this will even encourage the White House to drop its split personality on global warming, claiming it is a problem but declining to do anything about it.

A good time to start would be this week, when Senators Joe Lieberman and John McCain will offer their "Climate Stewardship Act" for a vote. The duo have also apparently missed the Moscow news, because their proposal to reduce emissions of "greenhouse" gases would revive Kyoto by the back door.

While their bill has less restrictive targets than Kyoto , its practical effect would be increasingly stringent controls on energy use. An emissions cap would create a property right in tradable pollution reduction credits, and companies facing the restrictions would soon become lobbyists for Kyoto ratification in order to take advantage of its emissions trading provisions. But there is no reason at all to impose such a "cap" because CO2 isn't a pollutant.

One irony here is that many of the countries that claim to be Kyoto's biggest fans may actually be pleased to see it die. That's especially true in a Europe beset both by slow growth and by Green parties that are part of center-left coalitions and believe in Kyoto as a matter of neo-religious faith.

Alas, the European Union passed its own version of Lieberman-McCain not long ago in an effort to show that Kyoto still had life after President Bush withdrew U.S. support. So if Kyoto does now finally collapse, the EU will have saddled itself with even more costly regulatory burdens. No wonder Europeans want the Senate to do the same for the U.S.

For this and other reasons, the lobbying of Mr. Putin to renege on his anti-Kyoto position will be intense. But Mr. Putin's Moscow doubts reflected the considered guidance of Russian scientists and his main economic adviser, Andrei Illarionov. Perhaps because they haven't been part of the global warming party circuit, Russian scientists also seem more able to think for themselves.

It's hard to recall now after years of media incantation, but in 1997 the U.S. Senate voted 95-0 not to ratify any climate-change treaty that would cause "serious harm" to the U.S. economy and from which developing countries are exempted. McCain-Lieberman is an attempt to repudiate that vote and pressure the White House into bending to the global warming lobby. Maybe someone should read Mr. Putin's Moscow speech on the Senate floor before the Members vote.

[Grampa Dave]

I prefer to call them Kalifornicating Watermelon Jihadists.

[Darksheare]

!!!!
*dies laughing*
We are SO on their 'to do' hit lists..

[Grampa Dave]

Imagine driving the big White OJ Simpson Bronco model with anti Watermelon bumper stickers and the terrorist will not vote for GW sticker in N. California?

That really puts one on their hit list in the parking lots and on the road.

I have had the 2002 bumper sticker thanking the enviro wackos for the fires of 2002 for over a year. I have had some Watermelons going into a complete frenzy with that sticker. Hopefully someone will come up with a new 2003 sticker.

It is time that we drag these lying scumbags out into the light of truth and the sunlight for the rest of the population to become aware of.

[richtig_faust]

Why didn't Kyoto include the greatest polluter on the planet -- China.?? All it functions to do is force more jobs to turd world nations to further the cause of global socialism.

[richtig_faust]

Global warming is hoax. Data corrupt. Computer simulations in err


Actually the model is so horribly wrong that it can't draw even a simple conclusion. It does not take into account the two main forces for climates on the planet:

1) The sun.
2) The Oceans - the largest storage/release mechanism of C02 on the planet.

[Darksheare]

Yes, the local greenies near me have been a problem, but thankfully no fires.
Yet.
The trick is getting them into the light.
They do not like being shown the truth, and evade every attempt to do so.

[Grampa Dave]

I never waste my time trying to convert the hard core greens. We need to work on the good Americans who have bought the green lies the past two decades. We need to embarrass the hard core greens by exposing their lies and the realities of going with their Green lies like with the fires in Oregon last year and in S. California last month.

[Grampa Dave]

Actually, they just borrowed Weaselely Clark's time machine to go back in the past to cause the dot.com bust and to set up the Kali Energy fiasco.

[cogitator]

The good thing about all this publicity is that it will force Mann to respond. He originally rebuffed inqueries from McIntyre and McKitrick and even said he had no intention to reply. Now that the klieg lights are on him he's on the spot.

It will be interesting to see how he "officially" responds.