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Imam al Mehdi (Info on "Imam al Mahdi" and the Ramadan Eclipses)
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Posted on 11/05/2003 12:28:33 PM PST by Sabertooth

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To: Swordmaker
Next Total Solar Eclipse in Ramadan will occur on November 13 2012 with visibility over Australia, N.Z., s Pacific, s S. America [Total: n Australia, s Pacific]

There will be a penumbral (non-total) Lunar eclipse on November 28, 2012 which will be visible in Europe through Asia... with darkest part of eclipse at midnight above Mecca.

What's your source for that?

This is the generally accepted schedule of Ramadan double eclipses...


 
Eclipses during Ramadan
by David L. McNaughton
In "Hamdard Islamicus" (Karachi, Pakistan), vol. XIX no. 1 (Spring 1996): pp. 81-86.

Double Eclipses during Ramadan

Sometimes a Ramadan will contain a solar and a lunar eclipse. That inevitably provokes comment, because of traditions that such a "double-eclipse" is a portent for some unusual event. Ithna'asheri Shi'ites, for example, believe that their Twelfth Imam will reappear after a Ramadan double-eclipse (although those two phenomena will supposedly take place in reverse order, with the solar one occurring in mid-month (5); that will require the moon to suddenly double its speed of movement after the onset of the Holy Month!)

In March/April 1894 (Ramadan 1311), Mirza Ghulam Ahmad (founder of the Ahmadiyya or Qadiani movement in Pakistan) interpreted a double-eclipse as a sign that he was a genuine modern-day prophet (6). The lunar eclipse during that particular month was only partial, although the solar one two weeks later was total in a few places in eastern Asia (7). However, there was nothing at all extraordinary about those two eclipses: every 22 or 23 Islamic years there is at least one Ramadan featuring a pair of eclipses two weeks apart (8) - one of which is usually partial; see Table 1.

Very much rarer is a Ramadan containing two total eclipses.

Table 2 lists all such occasions since AH 1, as well as during the next 200 years (9); (its solar eclipses are all central, with annular ones also included).

It will be interesting to see whether the two total eclipses scheduled to occur during Ramadan 1424 (AD November 2003) - are cited to support a claim similar to that made by Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, or as proof of thesignificance of some extraordinary event.

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Table 2

Ramadans with two central eclipses

LUNAR . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . SOLAR

AH . . AD . . . . . . . . . . Date . . . Where visible . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Date . . .Where visible

.283 . .896 . . . . . . . ..29 Oct . . .Pacific & adjacent . . . . . . . . . . 12 Nov . Canada; Alaska;
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(25 Oct) . . landmasses . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(8 Nov) . NE Pacific

.305 . .918 . . . . . . . . .5 Mar . . Eurasia; . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 20 Mar . .Antarctic; south
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (28 Feb) .NE Africa . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (15 Mar) . .Indian Ocean

.462 . 1070 . . . . . . . . .2 Jul . . .Pacific & adjacent . . . . . . . . . . . .16 Jul . . .Arctic; Siberia
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(26 Jun) . .landmasses . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(10 Jul)

.529 . 1135 . . . . . . . . . 4 Jul . . .America; Pacific; . . . . . . . . . . . . 19 Jul . . .Antarctic; far
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (27 Jun) . New Zealand . . . . . . . . . . . . . .(12 Jul) . . .south Pacific

.596 . 1200 . . . . . . . . . 5 Jul . . . Pacific & adjacent . . . . . . . . . . *19 Jul . Siberia; Arctic;
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (28 Jun) . .landmasses . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . (12 Jul) . . NW Atlantic

1200 . 1786 . . . . . . . . .11 Jul . . . Pacific & adjacent . . . . . . . . . . 25 Jul . . South Africa &
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . . . landmasses . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . adjacent oceans

1424 .2003. . . . . . . . .9 Nov. . .Europe; SW Asia; . . . . . . . . . .23 Nov . Antarctic; south
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .Africa; America . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Indian Ocean

1580 . 2155 . . . . . . . . .9 Mar . . Europe; Africa; . . . . . . . . . . . . .*2 Apr . .China; Russia;
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .America . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Kashmir; Mongolia;
. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. .Afghanistan

Notes for Table 2

Central lunar eclipses are always total.

*The central solar eclipses listed above are total unless asterisked - in which case they are annular.

Dates apply to the instant of maximum eclipse.

Extrapolated Gregorian dates are given even on occasions when the old Julian calendar was in operation;
the corresponding Julian date is then shown below in brackets.

Does the penumbral Lunar eclipse on November 28, 2012 occur during Ramadan?


41 posted on 11/05/2003 7:59:50 PM PST by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Sabertooth
There are no November total solar eclipses after 2012 for at least the next 30 years. There was a much better fit in 1985.

Solar Eclipse
1985 Nov 12
Total
southern S. America, Antarctica

Lunar Eclipse
1985 Oct 28
Total
Europe, Africa, Asia, Australia, Pacific

MUCH better fit... 18 years ago...

Bigger HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

42 posted on 11/05/2003 8:06:03 PM PST by Swordmaker
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To: SpaceBar
The reason for the articles on the Mahdi is because it was ISLAMIC TERRORISTS who hit the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Since the chance of radical Christians doing this are about nil then I would suggest articles dealing with the background motivations of our enemies will never be about Christians.
43 posted on 11/05/2003 8:07:15 PM PST by harpseal (stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: SpaceBar
The reason for the articles on the Mahdi is because it was ISLAMIC TERRORISTS who hit the World Trade Center and the Pentagon. Since the chance of radical Christians doing this are about nil then I would suggest articles dealing with the background motivations of our enemies will never be about Christians.
44 posted on 11/05/2003 8:07:24 PM PST by harpseal (stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown)
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To: Sabertooth
What's your source for that?

NASA Eclipse Tables

45 posted on 11/05/2003 8:09:34 PM PST by Swordmaker
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To: Swordmaker

The Muslims use a lunar calendar, so Ramadan's not always in November.

There's an Islamic date converter here.

None of your 1985 or 2012 eclipses occur during Ramadan.


46 posted on 11/05/2003 8:16:44 PM PST by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Sabertooth
None of your 1985 or 2012 eclipses occur during Ramadan.

Perhaps... but we have had to adjust our calendar to allow for the creepage of the seasons. Have the Muslims allowed for this? Do they have a leap day every four years???

47 posted on 11/05/2003 8:23:49 PM PST by Swordmaker
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To: Sabertooth
A solar eclipse can only occur at the exact time of the transition from an old moon of the preceding month to the new moon of next month... the lunar eclipse can only occur at the exact period of full Moon. By definition, the solar eclipse will be either at the beginning or the end of the lunar month.

Do Muslims count their months from the full moon or the new moon?
48 posted on 11/05/2003 8:28:05 PM PST by Swordmaker
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To: Swordmaker




Do Muslims count their months from the full moon or the new moon?

The New Moon. Here's a pretty good site.


49 posted on 11/05/2003 8:38:04 PM PST by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Sabertooth
According to that site, the Muslim month does not begin until the FIRST sighting of the new crescent moon.

Ergo, a Solar eclipse can only occur at the END of the lunar month in their calendar. In fact, the Solar eclipse is seen as a confirmation of the disappearance of the Moon. This alone makes the order of the eclipses in the prophesy impossible since it specifies the lunar eclipse follows the solar IN the month of Ramadan.

This brings back the metaphorical interpretation...
50 posted on 11/05/2003 8:50:59 PM PST by Swordmaker
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To: Swordmaker
a Solar eclipse can only occur at the END of the lunar month in their calendar. In fact, the Solar eclipse is seen as a confirmation of the disappearance of the Moon. This alone makes the order of the eclipses in the prophesy impossible since it specifies the lunar eclipse follows the solar IN the month of Ramadan.

This brings back the metaphorical interpretation...

Or a wave of the hands and a mumble about Satanic Verses.

See post #16.

Also, note the lines from the article in this thread:

"There are thousands of more signs. Most of them will happen and some of them might not happen."

Islamic prophecy apparently doesn't operate under the same 100% accuracy requirements that the Bible does.

If a Mahdi figure steps onto the stage during this Ramadan, citing the double eclipse this Ramadan as signs of his arrival, and strikes some blow at America, hundreds of millions of Muslims will follow him.


51 posted on 11/05/2003 8:59:28 PM PST by Sabertooth (No Drivers' Licences for Illegal Aliens. Petition SB60. http://www.saveourlicense.com/n_home.htm)
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To: Swordmaker
...perhaps something will brng the muslim world to darkness at the end of Ramadan.

They have been in darkness for centuries.

52 posted on 11/06/2003 9:01:06 AM PST by ppaul
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