Did Ashcroft go too far in Greenpeace indictment?

Bergen Record ^ | Tuesday, November 4, 2003 | JONATHAN TURLEY

[cyncooper]

Thank you, kcvl, for once again providing valuable information to fill out the issue.

As I surmised, Greenpeace has become a growing security threat. Nobody is against their idiotic protests. Just their criminal activity.

[LittleJoe]

If your goal is to disparage John Ashcroft you will be more successful on a conservative forum if you don't mention his name in the same breath with a group of brain-dead environmental wacko extremists

My goal is not to disparage John Ashcroft. My goal is to advance conservatism.

John Ashcroft is not conservative. He is liberal. Zell Miller is conservative.

Conservative does not mean Republican. Conservative means limited government power.

John Ashcroft wants more government power, including revising the Constitution to dilute the rights granted to us by the Constitution.

How can you claim to be conservative, yet support a man who thinks the Constitution grants too much power to the people?

Did you support Janet Reno?

As far as Greenpeace, Sierra Club, ELF and all the other pinko gangs go, there are other more effective ways to deal with scumbags.

We do not need to trash our Constitution to get rid of them!

[PhilipFreneau]

>> John Ashcroft wants more government power, including revising the Constitution to dilute the rights granted to us by the Constitution.

Explain.

[freedom moose]

Did it ever occur to you that terrorists could put on a greenpeace jacket and put the llves of many people in jepordy?

this is a joke right?

[LittleJoe]

Yes, and I can plainly see the solution to the problem right here on this thread.

Grenpeace could be put out of business without involving the AG or the Constitution.

[LittleJoe]

John Ashcroft was the best Governor the state of Missouri ever had

Excuse me, but didn't he lose the election to a dead guy?

[donozark]

Oh please, not this foolishness again!

[Pagey]

peaceful demonstration for nuclear disarmament.As part of the protest, the three nuns cut through a chain-link fence around a Minuteman III missile silo.

Peaceful Protest,huh? Dominican Nuns or not, They deliberately cut a chain link fence,got noticed and will spend or did spend a few years in prison. I don't see what's wrong w/ that. Some people have simply earned the right to lose their freedom. I'll bet they won't be doing that again anytime soon. LOL I'll take John Ashcroft over the Murderous Janet 'WACO' Reno anytime.

[LittleJoe]

Well, please explain. I'm not from Missouri.

[LittleJoe]

Explain

In 1996 senator Ashcroft proposed changing the framework of the Constitution to make it much easier to amend.

Ashcroft accepts no division between state and church, and believes that America has "no King but Jesus."

He is wrong. In 1787, our founders disestablished the church. Ashcroft wants to re-establish it.

I am not a Christian. The Bible is not my Holy Book. The Constitution is. Palestine is not my Holy Land. America is.

We now have his Patriot Act, and we are stuck with it without the amendments he would have needed before 911.

Conservative? I think not.

[donozark]

Your request for explanation is only 3 years old and has been addressed here many,many times. At least 137 by me alone. However, since you are a "newby" I shall explain ever so briefly:

The election laws of Missouri are such that after a certain date, the names on the ballot cannot be changed. Period. No exceptions. It's the law. Gov. Carnahan died in a plane crash AFTER this specified date, therefore his name still appeared on ballot, even though the widow Carnahan announced she was the candidate. This was understood by all-or should have been. That is, by checking the box with Mel Carnahan's name you were in reality voting for the widow Carnahan.

She was elected-largely out of St.Louis.

Fact is, the "sympathy vote" in such cases, applies about 90% of the time. Sonny Bono's wife. The widow Capps (from Kali),etc.etc. It ain't a Missouri thing-the sympathy vote.

Coupled with the St.L vote-25K "dual residents," the ever-present election fraud St.L so known for, she won.

She went down to defeat at the hands of Jim Talent. No (or very little) sympathy vote this time around and FBI,FEC, as well as Sec. of State Matt Blunt had election "observers" present in St. L this time around...

[LittleJoe]

Coupled with the St.L vote-25K "dual residents," the ever-present election fraud St.L so known for, she won

Sorry donozark, that was my lame attempt to throw in a little humor. I should know better after living through the Davis fraud here in Calif.

I will admit to liking some of Ashcrofts stands. I just wish he would back off on his support of bigger government.

[Harmless Teddy Bear]

Grenpeace could be put out of business without involving the AG or the Constitution.

Let's hear it.

[#3Fan]

If nobody else is doing it, then how can you hope to make the charge of "selective enforcement" stick?

[crickets] :^)

[PhilipFreneau]

>> In 1996 senator Ashcroft proposed changing the framework
of the Constitution to make it much easier to amend.

What was his proposal?

>> Ashcroft accepts no division between state and church, and believes that America has "no King but Jesus."

That sounds reasonable.

>> He is wrong. In 1787, our founders disestablished the church. Ashcroft wants to re-establish it.

You are wrong. Our founding fathers knew this to be a christian nation. There was no question about that. They also believed that no particular Christian denomination should be respected by the government.

>> I am not a Christian. The Bible is not my Holy Book. The Constitution is. Palestine is not my Holy Land. America is.

America is not America without Christianity. Maybe you should consider Canada, or France.

[LittleJoe]

America is not America without Christianity. Maybe you should consider Canada, or France

LOL...I'm a mongrel. My European ancestors came to New Amsterdam to escape Christianity. My native ancestors were here before Columbus.

I could use quotes from the founders to dispel the Christian myth, but would prefer not to start a religious flame war. I am not anti Christian. I am a Deist, the same as my ancestors.

I lived in France for three years. France is a Christian country. Maybe you should try France.

[bk1000]

Arrrr...Shiver me timbers. Hang the scurvy bilge rats from the yardarm.

[LittleJoe]

Let's hear it.

Yank their tax exempt status. Let them sue the IRS to try to get it back.

Violating national security by publishing maps to targets for terrorists is grounds enough for them to lose their tax exemption.

Contributors would vanish when the IRS started an investigation into their support of terrorism.

[StriperSniper]

Charging Greenpeace with "sailor-mongering" does not make him dangerous in my eyes.

However this does:

And opponents of the Patriot Act who said the anti-terror measure would undermine Americans’ privacies may have a point. This week in Las Vegas, federal authorities used the Patriot Act to nail a Las Vegas strip club. Federal authorities said Monday that they used the Patriot Act to get financial information in its probe of a strip club owner, Michael Geraldi (ph). But the Patriot Act was supposedly set up to root out terror threats on American soil after 9/11. Using the Patriot Act to go after strippers is a very bad sign. This is not about busting strippers, folks. It’s about nailing Al Qaeda. You talk about sliding down the slippery slope and endangering American civil liberties. This is bad news.

Source: ‘Scarborough Country’ for Nov. 5

[LittleJoe]

But...They promised this would not happen!

The Patriot Act has turned the Constitution into toilet paper. I hope all the Ashcroft supporters are happy now.