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To: Alberta's Child
Your points are valid, I will have to think hard about what I mean when I say "we will win"

I believe that will be when there is a stable democracy in Iraq, with normal diplomatic relations between us and them. Although that in itself is somewhat vague.

I am comfortable betting a large amount, although bets based on vague terms are not really bets. So I have to agree with you.

I did leave off one point in my previous post.

4. We have to defeat the propaganda machine within our own borders.

Reason 4 is why America doesn't lose wars, they just lose interest. I thank you for making that clear.
20 posted on 11/04/2003 11:24:19 AM PST by Ispy4u
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To: Ispy4u
Reason 4 is why America doesn't lose wars, they just lose interest. I thank you for making that clear.

A propaganda machine is not the real reason why Americans lose interest -- we are dumb, nihilistic, and self-indulgent to the point that we can't pay attention to anything that lasts longer than a 30-second television ad.

In my mind, I knew this "war on terror" was lost very soon after it began. There were two specific events that led me that conclusion:

1. The day the New York City Council passed the citywide smoking ban. It's hard to fathom how idiotic that is -- 2,500 people are killed in a terrorist attack in Lower Manhattan, and less than a year later cigarette smoke is considered a pressing public safety issue. Un. F#cking. Believable.

2. The day the "prescription drug coverage for seniors" was proposed by Congress. Again, the misplaced priorities here are breathtaking -- A nation that focuses its efforts on stupid things like this at a crucial moment in our history has not only lost interest in the war, but has lost it's f#cking mind.

22 posted on 11/04/2003 11:34:11 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("To freedom, Alberta, horses . . . and women!")
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To: Ispy4u
Thank you for your service and "can do" attitude Sarge.

I hope you are correct in your hopes concerning a future Iraq with a government somewhat resembling a democratic republic. In my most humble of opinions I believe it is a goal that just won't be achieved in that region of the world where so many people are either opposed to or incapable of understanding the benifits of personal freedom.

There are so many forces vehemently opposed to western ideology and culture. From the poor, un or under-educated followers of Islam as practiced in the mid east to the despots in power over them that I am really unsure we can accomplish that task.

One this is for certain, however. We must "WIN" this war even if it means bombing them back into the dark ages where their world view and philosophy has had them mentally trapped for eons.

Rather than attempting to define what winning will be, I suggest we need to really define what the WAR is all about. I believe it is about the ability of all western civilization to be able to live in peace and security from a philosophy bent upon our destruction.

We didn't start this WAR, but we damned sure must make sure that it is completed in "our" favor.

Unfortunately down the line I think we are going to have to make some hard decisions on "our rules of engagement" to include the manner in which we interrogate suspected soldiers in Allah's Army.

The genie is out of the bottle for LTC. West and the best thing the Pentagon and Administration could do now is to quickly get this unfortunate affair behind them. Let the man retire with full benifits at his present grade and "ruck on" (old soldier talk).

Again thank you for your service.

Who Ah & whooooooooppppp (new soldier talk).

26 posted on 11/04/2003 2:13:24 PM PST by ImpBill
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