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Bush declares war on immigrant cleaning ladies
The Hill ^ | October 29, 2003 | Dick Morris

Posted on 11/04/2003 9:29:11 AM PST by paulklenk

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To: netmilsmom
It's not rude, it's true. There are gobs of Freepers who offer NO solutions -- no real ones, anyway -- to the illegal immigration situation. All they do is harp on the subject whenever it comes up. The knee-jerk reaction to Morris' column proves it. The can't seem to get their minds around the fact that beating up on cleaning women isn't solving anything, and is costing us both votes and future taxpayers.

You come up with some workable solutions that don't include whining, and I'll listen to you.
41 posted on 11/04/2003 9:58:31 AM PST by paulklenk (DEPORT HILLARY!)
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To: paulklenk
"When you can pull your head out of the sand and actually come up with something we can vote on and implement, let us know"

Put a bounty on them, dead or alive!
42 posted on 11/04/2003 9:59:41 AM PST by dalereed (,)
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To: paulklenk
Perhaps you don't want to understand. Perhaps there are just a lot of bigoted Freepers out there who don't WANT to make our country available to people who are different. Perhaps harping on illegal immigration is the only way they know to express their hatred of foreigners, colored people, and others who talk funny.

Yes, anyone who disagrees with you is a racist. That's a pathetic argument straight from the leftist debating handbook.

Look, I'm all for getting rid of unnecessary bureaucracy and letting those willing to work hard and support themselves come here. The problem is that there are also lots of people who would rather feed off our welfare system, so letting everybody in who asks is not an acceptable solution.

43 posted on 11/04/2003 9:59:59 AM PST by ThinkDifferent
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To: paulklenk
"Perhaps you don't want to understand. Perhaps there are just a lot of bigoted Freepers out there who don't WANT to make our country available to people who are different. Perhaps harping on illegal immigration is the only way they know to express their hatred of foreigners, colored people, and others who talk funny.

Only Dims and some Libertarians use the race card, which are you? By your reasoning I should be able to get a job at some fortune 500 company by sneaking in the boardroom and pretending to be a member, shucks I will even take 200,000 a year to start. Never mind that I would be (1)Not qualified and (2)Lying through my teeth, after all I am a hard working type person. Welfare mentality has to be the worst trait for any humanbeing to have. Thankfully less then 20 percent of the public feel like you do.

44 posted on 11/04/2003 10:01:10 AM PST by JustAnAmerican
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To: paulklenk
I say we enlist illegals and send them to Iraq to fight the good fight. How can they say no to jobs and healthcare.
45 posted on 11/04/2003 10:01:10 AM PST by Callahan
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To: paulklenk
You say you'd like to make it easier to immigrate to the U.S. Why?

In my experience, people do not value what they haven't had to work for. What they can steal, they value even less.

It's actually quite simple. The rules exist. They work. There are some people who don't care, or are desparate enough (for whatever reason) to break the rules. To tell these people that, "It's OK. Now that you're here you can stay." is criminally dangerous. It tells everyone else that our laws don't mean a damned thing, and that we don't value our citizenship-- and neither should they.

And by the way: I pay for that "press one for English" message, and it pisses me off!

46 posted on 11/04/2003 10:01:14 AM PST by Egon (Safety Tip: You can get AIDS by sitting at a public toilet before the previous person vacates!)
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To: paulklenk
For those in high dudgeon who are reading this column and would intone piously about the rule of law, let me ask if you are sure the toilet you used at the gas station was cleaned by a legal immigrant or a U.S. citizen. How about your garden and lawn? And your housecleaners? And the guy who waits on you at the lunch counter or cleans the dishes after you have eaten? Are those all here legally? I invite you to vindicate your self-righteous views on immigration by mowing your own lawn, cleaning your own toilets and cooking your own food — or do so for $5.25 an hour.

I don't use gas station rest rooms - they're never cleaned anyway. I clean my own house, I mow my own lawn. I take care of my own children too.Walmart buys third-world labor and wants to hire it here too.

It cost me $12,000 for a new roof and would have cost a lot more with native labor - but I don't see any more native construction crews. There ought to be. If eight Americans working two twelve hour days got an extra ten bucks an hour, I could afford it. And maybe there wouldn't be so d... many McMansions springing up all over NJ.

Mrs VS

47 posted on 11/04/2003 10:02:06 AM PST by VeritatisSplendor
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To: paulklenk
You say: Freepers who offer NO solutions -- no real ones, anyway -- to the illegal immigration situation

Punishment is a deterrent. (OK...I know liberals don't believe it but thinking people do.)

Therefore, if the US begins to crack down on illegals, it will have an effect on the flood coming across the borders. However, if there is no consequence, the flood will increase. This is one of the solutions.

48 posted on 11/04/2003 10:02:31 AM PST by what's up
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To: paulklenk
intellectually,i feel PAULKLENK probably is closest to WWJD
49 posted on 11/04/2003 10:02:56 AM PST by y2k_free_radical (ESSE QUAM VIDERA-to be rather than to seem)
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To: paulklenk
I invite you to vindicate your self-righteous views on immigration by mowing your own lawn, cleaning your own toilets and cooking your own food — or do so for $5.25 an hour.

So what "Toe-sucker" Dick Morris is suggesting is that we need a labor class that can be paid substandard wages. $5.25/hr for an illegal immigrant? Hardly, Dick. Try $1.50-$2.50 an hour.

This is, in effect, slavery.

Bush no doubt has no family memories of immigrants who sent money home, but those of us of more recent vintage recall clearly the stories of our fathers and grandfathers.

Morris is confused. The ancestors that he is referring to came here LEGALLY. And they came here LEGALLY because they wanted to become US citizens. They came here because they wanted to become PART of this culture. And there are millions of future US citizens who are willing to follow the law, and wait their turn and meet the requirements, to become US citizens LEGALLY and become part of our culture. So do we want a set of new US citizens who choose to follow the law or do we want to cave in to those who view the law as a simple nuisance? Do we want a set of new US citizens who want to become part of America, or do we want to develop and encourage a separate culture?

50 posted on 11/04/2003 10:03:23 AM PST by kidd
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To: netmilsmom
Do you really think that Jihadi Muslims will listen to Christians?? Ask any Caldean Iraqi how well they were treated back home.

Yes, if they are first offered practical help for free, they will. Things change when they are separated from their home countries and their close circle of friends.

But it means you have to talk to them. You have to initiate friendly conversation, and not be intimidated by a difference in language, culture and religion. Treat them decently and kindly and you will then have the foundation -- later -- to share your faith. They will listen because they have seen Christ in you and you have helped without asking anything in return.

There is an awful lot of practical help we can give -- English training, classes on American ways of doing things, assistance finding a school or lawyer or even a grocery store.

51 posted on 11/04/2003 10:04:39 AM PST by paulklenk (DEPORT HILLARY!)
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To: paulklenk
Guest worker system. End family reunification and don't allow the wives, kids and parents of guest workers to come and overburden our social system.

The local high school (Fort Hamilton, Bay Ridge) has seen its student body grow from 4,200 four years ago to 5,100 today. Reason: children of illegal Arab, Mexican and Asian immigrants. Sure, their dads may be hard working, but their kids usually get corrupted by the ghetto lifestyle and cause assorted social problems.

We do need a guestworker system to address legitimate labor sources. Ending "family reunification" and allowing only single workers, male or female, would be the best solution, in my opinion.

52 posted on 11/04/2003 10:05:16 AM PST by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: paulklenk
Here is the workable solution. Close the borders. We are at war. Round up and ship back those who do not have the right papers. No student visas. One strike policy for anyone caught without the right papers or on temporary visas committing a felony.

Connect all the INS, FBI & CIA computers so we can cross check all info.

Have you ever looked at immigration papers?? Until you do, don't get snippy. They are not rocket science. I've actually helped fill them out.
53 posted on 11/04/2003 10:05:59 AM PST by netmilsmom ( We are SITCOMs-single income, two kids, oppressive mortgage.)
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To: Callahan
they already get free health care-i can attest to that
54 posted on 11/04/2003 10:06:20 AM PST by y2k_free_radical (ESSE QUAM VIDERA-to be rather than to seem)
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To: paulklenk
What is un-Christian is forgetting to temper justice with mercy, forgetting to temper what is technically legal with what is decent and humane.

It's neither decent nor humane for the government to pick my pocket to provide programs for illegals. This includes housing, food, medical care, education for themselves and their kids, counseling, job placement, utilities assistance, car repair, etc., to say nothing of the costs incurred through illegal alien crime, illegal aliens wrecking cars and running away, ad nauseum.

You get the government to quit stealing money on their behalf - in other words make them act like real immigrants - and we'll talk about it.

Right now, though, my solution is to deport them all along with their "anchor babies".

55 posted on 11/04/2003 10:06:38 AM PST by jimt
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To: Moleman
You will find a bit of double standard here at FR.

Here's the difference:

People in Cuba do not have the opportunity to leave legally. They are being held prisoner by a murderous communist dictator. There is no mechanism for them to come here or anywhere legally. By definition, they are seeking political asylum.

People in Mexico have the ability (however difficult) to come to this country legally. They choose not to.

56 posted on 11/04/2003 10:06:39 AM PST by Egon (Safety Tip: You can get AIDS by sitting at a public toilet before the previous person vacates!)
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To: paulklenk

Write a NEW law that we can put on the books that will LEGALLY give temporary amnesty to current illegals, help them register and become citizens, and make it easier for more to do the same.

Been tried before, made the problem of illegal aliens entering the country worse not better. Sorry, don't buy it and do not see any need to "make it easier for more" to continue in violation of immigration law.

Oh, let me guess -- you just don't want them here in the first place, right? Legal or not.

Seeing as my family were "legal" immigrants, your charge is baseless. Anyone who abides by the law has a right to be here and participate in the advantages of this nation, those that don't abide by the immigration laws, make it more difficult for future legal immigrants.

I don't buy your appeal to emotionalism in this. And your attempts to impute racial or ethnic considerations to those who disagree with your demogoguery is transparent.

57 posted on 11/04/2003 10:08:37 AM PST by ancient_geezer
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To: paulklenk
They are all Latino, and are from all over Central and South America. They are the most decent, honest hardworking people I have ever met. They have more dignity than just about any group of people I know.

And you call others racist.

59 posted on 11/04/2003 10:10:43 AM PST by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: paulklenk
My Grandparents came here legally, through Ellis Island. Heaven forbid millionaires and corporations should have to hire American citizens to do their work for them.
60 posted on 11/04/2003 10:11:14 AM PST by ozzymandus
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