Because you asked.....
His "partner", Mark Andrew,
is right behind him (where else?).
Posted on 11/02/2003 5:07:10 PM PST by Happy2BMe
Look for a pic of his congregation.
I'm so touched. (sniff) I mean, does this mean that murderers and rapists are also now willing to be hospitable and loving and caring toward me, and will always welcome me into their fellowship? You don't know how much better I will sleep at night knowing this.
Shalom.
What would you expect. They didn't even defrock him when he abandoned his wife and children to "find himself sexually" as it were.
Shalom.
Nail head - meet hammer.
If "Bishop" Robinson cared about anyone but himself he would never have abandoned his wife and children so he could go fudge-packing.
He can claim he's obeying the will of the people of New Hampshire, but it's all about him.
Shalom.
Oh - He'll be touched all right . . . the same way he was touched when he sent three angels into Soddom.
Selah
IIRC, G-d has something much worse in mind for them.
He will turn them over to their reprobate minds so that they may feel the full destruction of their sin in their bodies.
Shalom.
Can you get your headline corrected for spelling?
I think the problem came about due to three major elements.
1. The ECUSA is a vote-driven hierarchy. As such, those who control the agenda, and get their people in a position to influence vote, can implement their agenda regardless of how the rank-and-file work.2. In my experience, traditional Episcopalians tend to avoid conflict unless it directly affects them -- and maybe not even then. As apostate bishop Frank Griswold noted yesterday, this has been in the works for over 30 years.
3. Related to #2, Episcopalians tend to want to be "fair," which often does not mix very well with being "just, according to God's will." What that unfortunately does, is prevent us from taking a hard line when necessary -- as when defending the Gospel, or in the election of bishops.
One of our problems -- and that of churches in general -- is that we tend to see this whole homosexuality issue as an isolated thing within our own denominations, as opposed for a wide-scale agenda being pushed throughout our entire culture. (This is the Martin Niemoller thing -- "first they came for the Jews...")
As with all sin, nothing good can come from homosexuality or from a church leader who openly embraces it.
I won't take a stand on whether or not "good can come from homosexuality." I figure that's between homosexuals (whom I consider to be disordered) and God. That said, it's certainly true that the church and its leaders have no business actually endorsing it.
I hope the Christians of the Espiscopal denomination will rise up and rebuke those leaders who brought about and supported this poor decision.
In work....
You guys have "General Synods" or some such, right? I think you're probably no more than a couple of those away from it -- isn't the current -- or maybe the just-past -- president of the Presbyterian Church pretty much on-board with ordaining practicing homosexuals?
It does sound rather disturbingly close to "Crucify Him!"
Million Man Math. According to David Virtue, the number was closer to 2,500.
It does sound rather disturbingly close to "Crucify Him!"The Most Reverend Frank Griswold: (to the crowd) DO you want Jesus?!!
The Crowd: No! Give us
BarabasV. Gene Robinson!!!
You ought to read some history that isn't shot through with badly researched polemic. Henry VIII had no problem with what you call "idolatry," nor did he have any problem with prayers to the dead (a practice which some Anglicans still follow ... not to mention one that the Eastern Orthodox Christians and Orthodox Jews also practice, so it is hardly a medieval Roman innovation). In fact, Henry VIII had no problem with any of the usual Catholic doctrines that Protestants object to, and -- even after the break with Rome -- enforced many of them with the sword.
His problem was purely and simply that he wanted a divorce, and the Catholic Church -- true to Scripture -- refused to give it to him.
Because you asked.....
His "partner", Mark Andrew,
is right behind him (where else?).
It is with profound sadness and pain that we have arrived at this moment in the history of the Anglican Communion.
We are appalled that the authorities within the Episcopal Church USA (ECUSA) have ignored the heartfelt plea of the Communion not to proceed with the scheduled consecration of Canon Gene Robinson. They have ignored the clear and strong warning of its detrimental consequences for the unity of the Communion which was contained in the Statement from the Primates’ Meeting of October 15th and 16th which was unanimously assented to by the thirty-seven Primates present including the presiding bishop of ECUSA.
The consecration of a bishop, who divorced his wife and separated from his children now living as a non-celibate homosexual, clearly demonstrates that authorities within ECUSA consider that their cultural-based agenda is of far greater importance than obedience to the Word of God, the integrity of the one mission of God in which we all share, the spiritual welfare and unity of the worldwide Anglican Communion, our ecumenical fellowship and inter-faith relationships. The overwhelming majority of the Primates of the Global South cannot and will not recognize the office or ministry of Canon Gene Robinson as a bishop.
We deplore the act of those bishops who have taken part in the consecration which has now divided the Church in violation of their obligation to guard the faith and unity of the church. A state of impaired communion now exists both within a significant part of ECUSA and between ECUSA and most of the provinces within the Communion. By its actions, ECUSA is held solely responsible for this division. In addition to violating the clear and consistent teaching of the Bible, the consecration directly challenges the common teaching, common practice and common witness within the one Anglican Communion.
As ECUSA has wilfully disregarded the strong warnings given at Lambeth that such an action would "tear the fabric of the communion at its deepest level", we can now have no basis whatsoever for any further confidence that ECUSA will pay any regard to the findings of the recently announced Commission set up by the Archbishop of Canterbury.
We urge the Archbishop of Canterbury to bring forward urgently a mechanism to guarantee "adequate provision of episcopal oversight"[i] for parishes and clergy within ECUSA dioceses and the Diocese of New Westminster with whom we remain in fellowship. We also call on those persons who have already placed lawsuits that further tear the fabric of our common life to withdraw their destructive worldly actions
As Primates who represent over fifty million Anglicans, we have a solemn stewardship to steadfastly uphold and promote the historic and universal Apostolic Faith and Order of the Church throughout the ages as well as to protect those who are one with us in this same. We therefore affirm the ministry of the bishops, clergy and laity in ECUSA who have, as a matter of principle, and in fidelity to the historic teaching of the Church, opposed the actions taken at General Convention and objected to the consecration. We will continue to recognize and support their membership within the worldwide Communion fellowship and promise them our solidarity and episcopal support. We will now do everything that is necessary to uphold historic Anglicanism and advance our common faith, life, mission and ministry.
We cannot now uniformly define the further implications of this impairment created by ECUSA. As each province lives into the "emerging" character of this impairment of communion according to the theological and legal demands of their respective churches[ii], we pledge support of each other in our common response to the wilful decision of ECUSA authorities to oppose the Communion's teaching.
We are challenged and hopeful about the future while we grieve for those who have defiantly chosen to walk another way. We call on faithful Anglicans to a season of prayer for repentance, renewal and reconciliation in Christ and for the unity of our Anglican Communion rooted in truth and love.
To God alone be glory in the Church and in Christ Jesus throughout all generations for ever and ever! Amen.
Most Revd Peter J. Akinola DD.
For and behalf of the working committee for the Primates of the Global South
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[i] Primates’ Statement October 16 2003
[ii] Commission’s Mandate October 29 2003 Paragraph 2
1) The Anglican Church long predates Henry VIII. Its history traces back to Celtic missionairies of the early Christian Era, and it came into communion with Rome after Augustine's arrival circ. 600 AD. It became independent from Rome briefly under Henry VIII, then went back under Roman jurisdiction under Henry's daughter Mary. It became independent again under Elizabeth I, and has remained so. 2) On another point, Henry VIII didn't petition for a divorce but for an annulment. You surely know the difference.
Scuse me. Talk about polemics. Nobody asks the church for a divorce. He wanted an ANNULMENT - which the pope, who was then essentially under house arrest by Emperor Charles V (who was a close relation of Henry's wife Catherine of Aragon) wouldn't give him. We all know that the RC Church is often quite liberal about handing out annulments -- haven't some Kennedy family gotten them, and one of Grace Kelly's daughters, I believe?, along with many others famous and not, even couples with many children together. Henry's misfortune was that Catherine's relative, Chas V, had his thumb on the pope. It couldn't have helped Rome's standing in England, either, that a pope had the audacity to "divide" the new world between Spain and Portugal - leaving England out in the cold. If the vatican was to insist on playing the role of a political powerhouse, then it had to expect that nations that didn't want its political dictation would declare independence.
Oops!!
He must think he fits in HERE!
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