Lutherans in Chandler (AZ) offer church to Muslims

AZ Republic ^ | Edythe Jensen

[hsmomx3]

CHANDLER - Holy Trinity Lutheran Church quietly has shared its sanctuary with Muslims for more than a year. Saturday it will be the site of a Ramadan dinner to raise money for construction of a mosque.

"We are thankful for them," Muslim Arif Kazmi said of the Lutherans. "They are very nice people; we are knowing more about each other."

[nonsporting]

Both Christians and Muslims worship the same God.

John 4:24 "God is spirit, and those who worship Him must worship Him in spirit and truth." (Jesus Speaking)

John 14:6-7 "Jesus said to him, 'I am the way, the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father, but through me. If you had known me, you would have known My Father also.'"

John 1:18 "No man has seen God at any time; the only begotten God, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him."

(John 3:16) "God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have eternal life."

The same God?

[Gman]

["We are very community-minded and open to dialog," he said.]

loosely translated:

"Business is business."

[george wythe]

The same God?

Yes.

The Scriptures you quoted actually prove the point.

FYI, the Bible is part of the sacred writings of Muslims.

Just because the Muslims have an additional book, like the Mormons, does not mean that they reject the Bible.

[pointsal]

dumb and dumber

[GingisK]

...does not mean that they reject the Bible...

If they reject Jesus as part of the Triune God, they reject the Bible. They do, in fact, regard Jesus as "a prophet", but not God. My conclusion is that Christians and Muslims share the same God only as a point of propaganda.

[george wythe]

Thank you for sharing your opinion.

I agree with the Catholic Church Catechism, Muslims and Christians worship the same God.

[DannyTN]

"Can you imagine them allowing Christians to share space in their new mosque? "

No, but then I can't imagine Christians wanting to worship in a mosque either, except to pray for the lost souls that meet there.

[FITZ]

The God of Abraham, the God of the Jews and Christians doesn't require people to stand out on their roofs and worship the moon rising or fast during ramadan --- islam is a moon based religion, and mohammed's purpose was to lead people who were already Christian or Jewish away from God and back to the ancient arab religion that worshiped the moon god. The crescent moon is the symbol for islam --- the God of Abraham never had any moon symbolizing Him.

[Protagoras]

Did they ever ask what God would want.

Probably prayed, and looked at the bible.

Hospitality is nice, but I can't see turning a place that is dedicated to God over to a religion that denies His Son.

A church isn't a building. It's the people.

[fishtank]

"Both Christians and Muslims worship the same God."

Really?

I've also heard that Islam is a religion of peace.

Do you believe that, too?

[DannyTN]

"Probably prayed, and looked at the bible."

Perhaps, but I don't remember anything in the bible telling people to provide support for false religions. I agree wholeheartedly that they should show the muslims love. But it is in support of their religion where I draw the line.

In fact, the following scripture appears to say the same also.

2 John 1:7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist. 8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward. 9 Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son. 10 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: 11 For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.

[DannyTN]

"Just because the Muslims have an additional book, like the Mormons, does not mean that they reject the Bible."

True, but just because their additional book simulateously tells them that the prior scriptures are true and that Jews should look to their scriptures and Christians to theirs. But then it goes on to contracdict some of the most important parts of those scriptures and calls them corrupt.

So just because their additional book tells them to accept the prior scriptures, doesn't mean they do. And doesn't mean they ever spend time studying them.

[DannyTN]

"I agree with the Catholic Church Catechism, Muslims and Christians worship the same God."

Even if they do worship the same God, their rejection of the Son of God makes their religion evil. That rejection will lead Islam's followers to destruction.

[Honorary Serb]

I am an ELCA member, who is Evangelical Catholic/Evangelical Orthodox and totally disagrees with the revisionist agenda being pushed by the ELCA's mis-leaders. (I have posted about that on FR.)

Our ELCA congregation provides space in our building for a Jewish congregation on Saturday morning and another Christian congregation on Sunday afternoon after we are finshed with our services and Sunday School. That is all well and good.

However, most muslim congregations in the US are run by Wahhabis and other islamists (also known as islamofascists), and most US mosque buildings are financed by islamist Middle East donors. The same donors usuallly provide the mosque with an islamist imam, if they do not already have one. (Moderate muslims are my source on this).

The imams and other mosque officials go on to lie about being "the religion of peace", and collect as many Christian and Jewish dupes and shills in the community as they can who parrot that line. However, their REAL goals are conversion of Christians, Jews, and other Americans to islam, financing islamist activities (including foreign jihads and "jihad in America"), and working toward an islamofascist America!!!

I hope that this ELCA congregation in Chandler, Arizona, has checked out their muslim guests VERY WELL. The ELCA--including some at the highest levels of our church body--is a PRIME SOURCE for the kind of islamist dupes and shills who are (often unwittingly) paving the way for the islamization of America!!!!

[Syncro]

Good comments, FITZ.

The God's of Christianity and Islam are indeed different.

The Christian God is a personal God with which one can have a personal relationship.

The God of Islam is not a personal god.

And he does not have a son. And as Islam denies Jesus being the Son of God and says he really did not die on the cross, there is no reconciliation.

But Islam would have us believe otherwise although their own writings prove them wrong.

[VOA]

Without the use of the Lutheran facility, the Muslims would have had to pay high
commercial rental rates for worship space, further delaying mosque construction.

Why pay high commercial rates when a band of liberal nutburgers will give you
a facility...and you can send the saved $$$ to Muslim "charities"...

OK, I'm being cynical.
And realistic, given the track record...

[Centurion2000]

CHANDLER - Holy Trinity Lutheran Church quietly has shared its sanctuary with Muslims for more than a year. Saturday it will be the site of a Ramadan dinner to raise money for construction of a mosque.

That temple / church is now defiled ... and the muslims will try to steal it in enough time.

[Centurion2000]

FYI, the Bible is part of the sacred writings of Muslims.

Bullshit ..... the koran and the hadish are their only holy books .... and both steal from the Bible.

[VOA]

Just because the Muslims have an additional book, like the Mormons, does not mean
that they reject the Bible.

Yes...but...
there is one reason the Muslims make nervous and Mormons don't.
The Mormons don't have a passage like "Kill the Christians and the Jews wherever
you may find them" in their sacred texts.

Well, at least I hope they don't...

[GingisK]

Muslims and Christians worship the same God

Then why are Muslims ordered to kill those who are not of their faith and Christians must refrain from killing? Seems like if the same God were worshiped the rules would be the same.