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Prison for officer's effort to foil attack?
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | October 30, 2003 | WND

Posted on 10/30/2003 2:36:27 PM PST by joesnuffy

OPERATION: IRAQI FREEDOM Prison for officer's effort to foil attack? Scared Iraqi into revealing details of plot but faces court martial

Posted: October 30, 2003 12:45 p.m. Eastern

© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

A U.S. army colonel who allegedly frightened an Iraqi into disclosing details of an impending attack by firing a pistol into the air near his head, faces up to eight years in prison on assault charges.

Army officials have given Lt. Col. Allen B. West of the Fourth Infantry Division a choice – a court martial or resign early, losing retirement benefits. The 19-year veteran says he will reach his 20-year retirement this Saturday.

The Army says West's aggressive interrogation method constitutes an assault under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.

West's Army defenders say they are in an intense battle with Saddam Hussein loyalists in the Sunni Triangle near Tikrit where one false move could be their last.

The Aug. 21 incident came amid fears of an impending sniper attack on U.S. forces and reports of an assassination plot aimed at West, an artillery battalion commander.

West told the Washington Times in an e-mail he interrogated an Iraqi policeman who, according to an informer, was involved in attack on U.S. forces. Fearing a new attack, West said he took charge of the interrogation, determined to pry information from the policeman and warning his subordinates "it could get ugly."

"I did not want to expose my soldiers to a possible attack," he said in the e-mail.

West said two of his soldiers did "physically aggress" the policeman but failed to get any information. Finally, he threatened the Iraqi with his 9 mm pistol, firing twice.

"Once I fired into the weapons clearing barrel outside the facility alone, and the next time I did it while having his head close to the barrel," West wrote. "I stood in between the firing and his person. I admit that what I did was not right, but it was done with the concern of the safety of my soldiers and myself."

After informing his superior officer of the incident, West said he heard nothing more until a broader inquiry was launched by army chiefs, the Times said.

The Washington paper reported today West's friends and colleagues are rallying around him.

"He's getting a bum rap," retired Army Col. Mike Kryschtal told the Times.

"Al West is an outstanding officer," said Kryschtal, who served with West in South Korea in 1995 and 1996. "His actions were consistent with his selfless dedication to duty and the welfare of his soldiers. The fact that he reported this incident speaks to his integrity. He should be commended, not persecuted, for saving the lives of our soldiers."

Retired Army Lt. Col. Robert Maginnis, who recently visited 4th Infantry soldiers in a tour of Iraq, told the Times he suspects West has a lot of sympathy from fellow combatants and among families of soldiers in the U.S.

"The difficulty that the 4th ID faces is that the enemy is wearing civilian clothes and hiding behind women and children," he said. "So when you ask a battalion and company commanders to stop the violence against the Iraqi people and against soldiers, the pressure to use aggressive interrogation techniques seems to be reasonable."

In an e-mail to the Times yesterday, West said, "I really wanted to stay hidden but that is no longer possible. I am now at a critical decision point to resign. I cannot afford to be sent to jail and my daughters never see their daddy again. My family is all I have now."

Col. West's wife, Angela, who lives in Fort Hood, Texas, has retained an attorney in North Carolina.

"This is very distressing," she told the London Telegraph.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 4thinfdiv; allenwest; colonelcharged; idiocy; interrogation; iraqifreedom; militaryinjustice; politicalycorrect; stupid; ucmj; waronterror; westforcongress; wildwest
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1 posted on 10/30/2003 2:36:30 PM PST by joesnuffy
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To: joesnuffy
On yesterday's Armstrong and Getty Show (morning show out of Sacramento), they joked that the problem was that the USA can't control the Middle East because the people over there are used to brutal dictatorships and we aren't brutal enough.

-PJ

2 posted on 10/30/2003 2:41:55 PM PST by Political Junkie Too (It's not safe yet to vote Democrat.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
We can't become them. They are animals, let us not become the very thing we despise.
3 posted on 10/30/2003 2:49:43 PM PST by ChadsDad (Time to clean up the playground.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
It's the sad truth.
4 posted on 10/30/2003 2:56:23 PM PST by sheik yerbouty
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To: ChadsDad
This is crap. Under the current pantywaist rules Patton would have been hauled before a tribunal run by PETA lawyers for shooting that mule. This is war.
5 posted on 10/30/2003 2:58:26 PM PST by prov1813man
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To: joesnuffy
Give him a medal, make him a General, and shoot the bastard Iraqi policemen planning to shoot more Amercian infantry soldiers. Ask the solicitor general and all the Army brass to retire early for harassment of a war hero.
6 posted on 10/30/2003 3:05:32 PM PST by Mat_Helm
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To: joesnuffy
Can we blame this on the Clinton military?
7 posted on 10/30/2003 3:07:00 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: ChadsDad
In an active combat situation this infantry officer used the least aggressive means necessary to force a prisoner to reveal plans for terrorist acts which had not yet occurred. He should be awarded for saving his troops lives, not persecuted by a desk commando in the Judge Advocate General's office.
8 posted on 10/30/2003 3:09:19 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: swarthyguy
Damn right we can
9 posted on 10/30/2003 3:11:17 PM PST by Leatherneck_MT (If you continue to do what you've always done, you will continue to get what you've always got)
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To: joesnuffy
Some politically correct bureaucrat needs to join the real world.

No way this officer should be jailed!

10 posted on 10/30/2003 3:14:45 PM PST by JonH
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To: joesnuffy
Lt. Col. Allen B. West spoke the language which the Iraqis understand and he got an answer. Our men and women were at risk and now he must be punished, something is not right with this way of thinking.
11 posted on 10/30/2003 3:15:27 PM PST by Irish Eyes
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To: ChadsDad
I commend Ltc. West for his fine leadership example .
12 posted on 10/30/2003 3:22:03 PM PST by Ben Bolt ( " The Spenders " ..)
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To: joesnuffy
This is War, the Armed Services shoot people and blow up things, It's a Commanders responsibility to protect his Soldiers!! It's getting too P.C. out in the World!! These Soldiers are lucky to have a Commander like Him!!
13 posted on 10/30/2003 3:26:21 PM PST by FreedomWarrior
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To: joesnuffy
Army battalion commander faces assault charges in Iraq

Analysis: This story is interesting on a lot of levels. First, there's the question of effectiveness, and whether LTC West's use of his M9 pistol was effective in interrogating this prisoner. It appers that it was. Second, I think we have to balance that short-term effectiveness against any long-term consequences that flow from these kinds of interrogation tactics. In this case, the firing of two 9mm rounds near the prisoner was clearly coercion in a psychological sense, but I'm not sure whether it really crossed the line into torture. Remember, this is combat, not police work, and the rules are different. I'm not sure whether this incident will really have the kind of long-term consequences the Army is concerned about. Indeed, this kind of interrogation may be necessary to get information that can save American and Iraqi lives.

On another level, this story is interesting because it reveals American attitudes towards misconduct in the ranks. Generally speaking, the Army takes a dim view of this stuff, whether it's done by an Army MP private or an artillery colonel. Indeed, the colonel will usually be treated more harshly, both because of his experience and the command responsibility he bears. Truly, the buck stops in this case with LTC West, and he will be held responsible for anything done in his command. If one of his lieutenants had done this, LTC West probably wouldn't be facing charges now. But he surely would face some administrative action -- possibly the end of his career -- for the incident.

Finally, this story is interesting because it reveals the kind of stress our soldiers and commanders are under in Iraq. I bet that if you asked LTC West last year whether he'd do this, he'd have responded "no". Senior officers in the American Army tend to be very well educated about the laws of war, at least in comparison to our NATO allies and our enemies. If you gave him a hypothetical like this, he probably would have said he'd call in the brigade's counter-intel/HUMINT teams to do the interrogation. But the exigencies of the situation often make people do things they wouldn't ordinarily do. Clearly, LTC West and his unit are under a great deal of stress right now, or else this incident would not have happened.

I'm conflicted about whether these charges are justified or not. LTC West has the ultimate responsibility as commander to protect his unit, and a little bit of "smacky face" (to borrow Jess Bravin's quote from the WSJ) may be justified in this kind of situation. The line between coercion and torture is a very difficult one to draw, and I'm not sure this was the wrong thing to do in this situation. If this case goes to a court martial, LTC West may be able to make that case to a military jury of his peers.

14 posted on 10/30/2003 3:39:44 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (God is not on the side with the biggest battalions. God is on the side with the best shots.)
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To: joesnuffy; af_vet_rr; ALOHA RONNIE; American Soldier; archy; Cacophonous; cavtrooper21; ...
Ping
15 posted on 10/30/2003 3:47:22 PM PST by Cannoneer No. 4 (God is not on the side with the biggest battalions. God is on the side with the best shots.)
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To: ChadsDad
We can't become them. They are animals, let us not become the very thing we despise.

Thank you for sharing that mindless and useless aphorism.

I hope I never find myself in a position to do whatever it takes. But if I ever do, I sure hope I am able to do more than whine.

16 posted on 10/30/2003 3:54:01 PM PST by Publius6961 (40% of Californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: Mr. Lucky
We need to Freep the army BUT GOOD!
17 posted on 10/30/2003 3:56:03 PM PST by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999 !!!!)
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To: swarthyguy
Can we do something to change the army's attitude on this?
18 posted on 10/30/2003 3:57:38 PM PST by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999 !!!!)
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To: Lazamataz
The cause of West's motivation?

an assassination plot aimed at West

19 posted on 10/30/2003 4:13:42 PM PST by swarthyguy
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To: swarthyguy
The cause of West's motivation? an assassination plot aimed at West

Really? Well if this is true, my enthusiasm for freeping the army (But Goodtm) just went down a notch.

20 posted on 10/30/2003 4:16:56 PM PST by Lazamataz (PROUDLY POSTING WITHOUT READING THE ARTICLE SINCE 1999 !!!!)
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