[finnman69]

As election season is coming and since A.N.S.W.E.R. just mad an ugly appearance in DC calling Bush a Nazi, it seems everyone needs a refresher in what the Nazi Party stood for.

There are lots of asrticles to use to slam socialists and A.N.S.W.E.R. types when they call conservatives Nazis and Fascists.

[bassmaner]

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[finnman69]

also great links here:

Hitler's Animal Rights Campaign
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id11.html

Hitler Pro-Abortion
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id15.html

Nazi Gun Control
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id14.html

Hitler's Leftist Economic Policies
http://constitutionalistnc.tripod.com/hitler-leftist/id10.html

[dagar]

Great gouge! Bookmarked.

[Chad Fairbanks]

Hitler was a Leftist

Preachin' to the choir, man...

[longtermmemmory]

nazi's were leftist socialist darwinians

They made all sorts of convoluted "scientific" explanations of why they were superior. It should also be noted that the nazi's first met in beer halls frequented by homosexuals. It would be the modern equivalent of a "gaybar". (on a side note: it makes the end of the nazi's in the blues brothers movie all the more funny.)

[expatpat]

Do you have a similar quote re Mussolini and the Fascists?

[coloradan]

I would like to see if a modern leftist today would sign the following statement:

We are enemies of today's capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance, and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.

... and then tell them the source of the quote.

[Texas Federalist]

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[Texas Federalist]

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[Maelstrom]

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Do you have the list of ties between ANSWER and international communists?

[Billthedrill]

I wish people would stop using "left" and "right" in this particular context. It doesn't really apply. Hitler was a "rightist" only insofar as he was in opposition to the revlolutionary Communists of his day, who were "left" only by notational convention.

Both the Nazis and the Communists were certainly (1) socialistic, (2) authoritarian, and (3) attempting the violent overthrow of the Weimar Republic. If you want to use contemporary usages, they both were social and political and economic "progressives" inasmuch as they wished to replace the status quo with their own schemes in those regards. That would make the Weimars "conservatives," despite the fact that they represented progress from the authoritarian Hohenzollern model of government grafted from Prussia by Bismark, which was in its turn "progressive" with respect to the myriad of small states that went before it. All of these are relative terms.

[onedoug]

How far were the nazis to the left of the commies?

[luckydevi]

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[dubyagee]

Reading Adolf Hitler by John Toland right now for this very reason. (Poorly written, IMHO) It has been an eye opening book. I am currently to where he has just gained power. The interesting thing is, he played everyone in his attempt to gain power, including monied Jews. It is truly frightening how easily complete power was handed to him. He used a fire in the Reichstag to basically abolish the constitution. Imagine what Bush could have done with 9-11 if he had evil intentions.

[longfellow]

In 1986 I began my graphic novel with this same message in attempt to 'wake up' America. I have not had much luck and have even lost a job over it. I have been called every name in the book at conventions and have been attacked on comic book websites. But I take pride in the fact that our little comic book was before Ann Coulter's great book Treason and Hannity's book, we didn't wait for 9-11 to wave our flag and stand up for our country neither. check out our web site (tagline) mention freepers and i'll send you a free set of books.

[Kleon]

I agree, we can connect Socialism to a lot of terrible things--the totalitarian USSR being the most extreme, but to link it to Hitler and Socialism is just plain wrong.

What I've been reading here are a lot of posts saying either a) that they called themselves "socialist," therefore they were socialists and b) Hitler's words prove he was Socialist.

There are some problems here.

First, it is wrong to assume they were socialist because of their name. What about the "German Democratic Republic"? It was Democratic, right? No, that was just the official name of East Germany.

In fact, Hitler never actually practiced Socialism. In his Germany, the means of production were controlled by capitalists, not the workers. If you understand this and still say Hitler was a socialist, then you should really stop and think about what "Socialism" means.

And about those quotes, given his actions after gaining total power, there is no reason to believe he actually meant any of that. Hitler is one of the biggest liars in history; his statements were pure propoganda, designed to win the worker vote.

I don't know why we have to play this game of hot potato with Hitler against the Left. His policies were so extreme, it is meaningless to connect him to any modern group, left or right.

[You Dirty Rats]

This is total nonsense.

The 25 points were developed before the Beer Hall Putsch, for crying out loud. They were designed to attract votes rather than intended to be implemented.

As proof, note that the high-ranking members of the Nazi Party who believed in these points (the Strasser Brothers and Roehm) were drummed out and/or shot by the Nazis after Hitler became Chancellor.

Hitler's support in the years 1931-3 immediately prior to his rise to power and in 1933-4 while he consolidated his power was from the Army and the Business Establishment -- i.e. the Right. They provided the money and the support. The Left was detroyed by the nazis in 1933-4 (unions were banned, for example) -- but the business establishment, the Army, and other institutions of the Right were not.

In the climactic vote in the Reichstag in 1934, which transferred their functions to the Chancellor & Cabinet, the Communists were banned from the chamber and the only votes against Hitler were from the Social Democrats. The Center and Right parties (Catholic Center, Nationalists, etc.) all voted Ja.

Claiming Hitler was a Leftist is as ridiculous as those that claimed in the Late 1980's and '90's that the Politburo were the "Conservatives" and Yeltsin, et al were "Liberals" -- and that, therefore, the Politburo were Rightists. Stalin was Left (i.e. pro-worker anti-capitalist) and Hitler was Right (anti-worker and pro-business). The 25 points mean squat -- actions, not words or papers, are the means to judge.

[Sam Cree]

In case you hadn't seen it, thought you might be interested.

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