Teachers subject to public criticism ??? OH the horror! We can't allow that!!
/ sarcasm
1 posted on
10/27/2003 8:34:05 PM PST by
jimkress
To: Temple Owl
ping
2 posted on
10/27/2003 8:36:40 PM PST by
Tribune7
(It's not like he let his secretary drown in his car or something.)
To: jimkress
Here's a lil secret...
To avoid all the "junk" is postings, surround the text by <pre>
To: jimkress
WASHINGTON A Web site that encourages students to rate their teachers has been banned from hundreds of schools across the nation and administrators are saying it's a distraction and an abomination.
One official in Maryland called RateMyTeachers.com personally and professionally repugnant and suggested that teachers might have legal recourse against the Internet forums operators.
Its akin to medieval public flogging, said Brian Porter, spokesman for the Montgomery County Public Schools (search), which said the Web site is filtered out automatically by a central Internet firewall, which blocks student access to anything deemed non-instructional or harmful to children.
Its a gross violation of teachers privacy, he added. There is nothing funny about subjecting a teacher to random and caustic remarks by students.
Other schools and counties have intentionally blocked the site, which now boasts 450,000 ratings, according to operator Michael Hussey.
But not everyone considers RateMyTeachers.com (search) a pariah. In fact, it has touched off an impassioned debate over free expression, teacher privacy and whether educators are just too thin-skinned.
They think that its a forum for students to bash their teachers, but thats not the case, said Hussey, 25, a former substitute teacher and Internet entrepreneur who came up with the idea for creating Web sites that allow visitors to rate things first trying pets, but finding real success with teachers in 2001.
I remember I had valid opinions of my teachers in high school and remember the evaluations at the end of my college semesters and know the professors used to look at them and found them useful, he said. I thought that high school and middle school teachers would benefit from students opinions.
Students can log on and either enter the name of new teachers or rate existing ones on the site, with marks ranging from one to five for clarity, easiness and helpfulness. They can also leave commentaries. Hussey said he has 1,800 student administrators who act as screeners for each posting that goes up, filtering out bad language and inappropriate comments.
Its just an outlet for student opinion, he said. Any student could go onto any other Web site to bash their teachers. At least we keep it clean.
To which Porter replied, apparently not clean enough, if our Internet blocking system is filtering it out.
A quick look at the site reveals that most teachers listed on the site are getting positive ratings and comments.
On the Brooklyn Tech High School page, for example, which is the most-rated with close to 14,000 postings, one will find comments for one English teacher like, She cares. She works us and knows her stuff. We are expected to work. I read more and thought more in her class than ever.
Unfortunately for this teacher, she also has her detractors. In one of the more vivid commentaries found, a student declares, Do you feel a creeping, shirking sensation when u (sic) see serpents & the slithery, venomous creatures w/their deadly eyes & wicked faces? That's how she impresses me.
Many teachers just garner numeric ratings, rather than accolades or rotten tomatoes.
Charles Herndon, spokesman for the Baltimore County Schools (search), which has also blocked access to RateMyTeachers.com, said the site was a plain distraction to students and deemed non-educational by officials.
It was creating quite a buzz, he said. We determined there wasnt any kind of instructional benefit to it and went ahead and blocked access.
While officials like to point out that students are free to log on to the site on their own computers, on their own time, Hussey and fans of his site which he said include teachers who write to him believe the officials who loathe it are simply the ones getting bad ratings.
My experience is that teachers who treat students like human beings are fair and consistent receive good ratings, said one poster. Why not out those who are terrible as well as congratulate those who deserve it?
But Porter said it is the anonymous nature of the site, and the potential for teachers to be libeled, that makes it harmful and intrusive.
There is really no use for a site that perpetuates a degrading evaluation of teachers by anonymous students that purport to be engaging in fair judgment, he said.
Janet Bass, a spokeswoman for the American Federation of Teachers (search), said she has heard no formal complaints from teachers but agreed with Porter that the site is inappropriate.
"A lot of these things are subjective and have nothing to do with the reality of what is going on in the school, she said. I think they should be ignored.
Web sites that rate the performance of certain corporations and their stock have been sued in recent years, and most of the cases have been either dismissed or settled out of court, said experts.
Proving libel is difficult, and unless students post statements about teachers that are blatantly untrue and intentionally harmful, teachers will have to live with the commentary, said David Sobel, privacy expert with the Electronic Privacy Information Center (search) in Washington, D.C.
It very much depends on the circumstance, but short of libel, its a protected activity, he said. I dont see any basis of taking legal action against the site because its legal exchange of information and ideas on the Internet.
4 posted on
10/27/2003 8:38:57 PM PST by
jimkress
(America has become Soviet Union Lite)
To: jimkress
7 posted on
10/27/2003 8:41:11 PM PST by
battousai
(What's the only thing more irrelavent than a RAT presidential candidate?.....France of course.)
To: jimkress
I told the truth about a teacher I had for fifth grade, that she was a hostile, chain smoking, racist witch. Then there were the teachers that could not teach, teachers who were more concerned about lining their pockets. I'm a member of the site, and they stress making positive comments about teachers as well.
What are these teachers afraid of? THE TRUTH?
8 posted on
10/27/2003 8:41:30 PM PST by
cyborg
(Kyk nou, die ding wat jy soek issie hierie sienj)
To: jimkress
they don't seem riled when half the graduates can't read.
Something needs to shake them
9 posted on
10/27/2003 8:42:47 PM PST by
GeronL
(Visit www.geocities.com/geronl)
To: jimkress
I like it!
13 posted on
10/27/2003 8:45:34 PM PST by
.cnI redruM
(I ain't sayin' nothin', but that ain't right! - Stewart Scott, ESPN.)
To: jimkress
'Politically correct' censorship.
The students aren't "thinking" as they've been instructed.
Back to the mind melt chambers for those poor kids.
16 posted on
10/27/2003 8:52:17 PM PST by
concerned about politics
( Maybe, could be, I think., what if, is it true?, I heard..............................)
To: jimkress
,”
19 posted on
10/27/2003 9:02:16 PM PST by
Rudder
To: jimkress
I'm glad I came across this.
Several of my son's 6th grade teachers are rated, and I think the kids treated them fairly. I agree that you don't need this site available on in-school computers, but anyone who tries to censor it stinks.
To: jimkress
I just looked at that site. My old high school is there. I may go back and rate a few of them. The good, bad, and in between.
I have to drop that 1.6 to a 1 in one case though.....
22 posted on
10/27/2003 9:10:06 PM PST by
Dan from Michigan
("I don't want to Raise Taxes" "I think everything must be looked at" - Jennifer Granholm. (D))
To: jimkress
These NEA teachers are upset at being ranked against each other because, under Socialism, all class distinctions were supposed to end.
24 posted on
10/27/2003 9:12:21 PM PST by
the lone wolf
(Good Luck, and watch out for stobor.)
To: jimkress
I just went back and rated a few of my high school teachers. I'm surprised how accurate most of the assessments were, though most students who posted there seemed to think my sophomore math teacher was "easy" when he was most definitely "difficult" when it came to grading.
25 posted on
10/27/2003 9:15:50 PM PST by
Alberta's Child
("To freedom, Alberta, horses . . . and women!")
To: jimkress
If they can subjectively rank me according to my peers, I can do the same to them.
Any President of any university should encourage feedback like this. The stuck up know it all professors who don't respect students and don't do their own homework should be identified and demoted.
To: jimkress
There's a great idea. Ban it. That always works great with college students with computers.
To: jimkress
I like the idea of the site; I'm sure that there will be some that abuse it or don't vote honestly, but overall, it's a great idea. Just like on ebay, I think that people should consider the number of negatives compared to the overall total i.e. if the teacher has a bunch of votes and only 1 is low, then I wouldn't place too much emphasis on that 1 vote.
Another concept about it that I like is that addresses the problem of accountability. If I mess up at my job, there are consequences (no raise, suspension, firing). With teachers (specifically Pennsylvania), unless they do something really horrendous, their job is safe, and it doesn't matter what the quality of their work is.
30 posted on
10/28/2003 3:43:16 AM PST by
Born Conservative
("Forgive your enemies, but never forget their names" - John F. Kennedy)
To: jimkress
"It's akin to medieval public flogging," said Brian Porter, spokesman for the Montgomery County Public Schools (search), which said the Web site is filtered out automatically by a central Internet firewall, which blocks student access to anything deemed non-instructional or harmful to children.What a crack up!!! Living here, I have to put up with these arrogant government school administrators all the time. These people are so PC that teaching reading, writing, and math are number 12 on their top 10 list of things a school should do for a child.
How DARE these "unqualified" students rank our ivory tower "teachers." Morons running the education system...
32 posted on
10/28/2003 5:50:22 AM PST by
69ConvertibleFirebird
(Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.)
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