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Maryland Atheists Want State to Remove Roadside Memorials
CNSNews.com ^ | 10/27/03 | Steve Brown

Posted on 10/27/2003 2:55:00 AM PST by kattracks

(CNSNews.com) - American Atheists in Maryland said Friday they want the state to start removing roadside memorials; crosses, flowers and sometimes teddy bears that people leave next to highways where a loved one or family member has died in an automobile accident. The practice is repeated all over the country.

While there are currently no petition drives or other widespread grassroots activities, Maryland atheists say they want state officials to be more proactive in the matter.

"Our position basically is that we're against it (the memorials)," David Condo, Maryland state director for American Atheists, told CNSNews.com. "We don't think it makes sense from a driver's safety perspective, for one. If you're looking at a memorial or any other thing that's been put on the road, then you're certainly not looking at the road. If it's religious in nature it could also be offensive to anyone who just wants to use the road. So it doesn't make sense from a couple of perspectives."

According to Condo, the basic Maryland State policy is to remove anything along the roadways, but he said state officials must be persuaded to enforce the policy.

"There's plenty of places in our society for dealing with grief. I know as much as anybody else that dealing with the loss of a loved one is very difficult. But there a lots of private institutions in our society that deal with such things. We have our cemeteries and our morgues and our churches. There's no need for public roads to be dealing in what should be a personal matter," Condo said.

Ellen Johnson, the national president of American Atheists, agreed, calling the practice of leaving roadside memorials a nationwide problem.

"In fact in New Jersey right near our center, there is a large cross bolted to a tree on the Garden State Parkway put up there by the Sheriff's Department," Johnson told CNSNews.com. "But these are up all over the place. They're shrines set up on public property everywhere and people really don't have the right to do that."

Johnson said the growing number of roadside memorials has upset many of her group's members. But she said people bothered by the memorials usually remove them themselves "because it's easier" than trying to get the state to remove them.

"They get to be extreme. They get to be more than just, let's place a bouquet of flowers where there was an accident," Johnson said. "These become permanent memorials...and it becomes a mission for these people to advertise where no one else can advertise. It's become less about the original situation and more about putting up an advertisement and that's the problem."

In a WBAL Baltimore 920 AM/Associated Press story, Anna Ravegum with the Maryland Chapter of Americans United for the Separation of Church and State expressed her organization's concern.

"It's a complicated thing where you have somebody's private grief being expressed on public land, whether it's a cross or just a simple wreath. It's really something that needs public attention and scrutiny," Ravegum was quoted as saying in the WBAL/AP story.

In the same story, David Buck, Maryland State Highway Administration (SHA) communications director, remarked on how an increasing number of flags, wreaths and floral arrangements had sprung up along the state's roadways and bridges in the wake of the 9/11 terrorist attacks in 2001. The story reported Buck as saying that after one flag became dislodged and fell on a driver's car, SHA workers "went out and further secured some of the memorials."

However, Buck told reporters, "We're not going to remove anything, whether it's a memorial in remembrance of 9/11 or someone who died on the highway."

According to Condo, that crosses the line in terms of what state officials should be doing about the memorials.

"You're having servants of the state maintaining these private memorials, which shouldn't be there in the first place," Condo said. "You know, that's our tax dollars being spent on something that shouldn't even be there."

Maryland SHA public information officer Lora Rakowski said Condo was correct -- that the general policy was to remove all non-authorized materials on the roadside. She added that her colleague, Buck, had been quoted out of context in the WBAL/AP story.

"Essentially...it's commonplace that a request for (placing) a roadside memorial is denied and we suggest that the requester basically find other means to memorialize the victim," Rakowski told CNSNews.com .

Rakowski said grieving family members have other means for memorializing accident fatality victims -- include planting something at SHA's community planting center or signing up for the adopt-a-highway program in which a sign is placed along the road identifying them as the family of the victim.

Once an unofficial memorial is placed on the side of a highway, "it is removed only if it presents an identifiable safety hazard," Rakowski explained, "because our first concern is for the safety of the motoring public."

But while state highway officials do not make a concerted effort to seek out memorials to remove them, Rakowski said most are removed "eventually anyway" through routine roadside maintenance such as mowing, because of road construction or if the memorials start to deteriorate or become a hazard.

"I know the (Buck) quote (in the WBAL/AP story) did not capture that but...generally if it is a hazard it will be removed and secondly it will eventually, most likely be removed during our mowing season and those types of activities," Rakowski said.

Rakowski said in some cases, even when the memorials are removed, family members replace them on the anniversary of the accident that claimed the loved one.

"We are sensitive to the grieving process of family and friends," Rakowski said, noting that if the signs that are removed are still in "decent shape," SHA keeps them at its Baltimore headquarters where families can retrieve them.

The roadside memorials do not trigger the most complains to Rakowski's office. She said real estate signs placed in hazardous spots along a road produced more complaints than the memorials for accident victims "The focus of our manpower is more dedicated to those things that present immediate safety threats," Rakowski said.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: athiests; hatefulbigots; intolerance; memorials; purge; religiousexpression
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1 posted on 10/27/2003 2:55:00 AM PST by kattracks
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To: kattracks
Headline: Maryland Atheists demand removal of 1st amendment.
2 posted on 10/27/2003 2:59:05 AM PST by tet68 (multiculturalism is an ideological academic fantasy maintained in obvious bad faith. M. Thompson)
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To: kattracks
Boy o boy, God sure gets their dander up. If they put 1/000,000,000th of the effert into finding out about the God they say they don"t believe in, they'd find out the error of their ways. The thing I can't understand is why roadside memorials, The Ten Commandments in a court house, crosses around Christians necks, and on and on and on, bother them at all. If they don't really believe in God, why don't they just ignore Him. I don't like spinich but I have no need to outlaw it.
3 posted on 10/27/2003 3:09:16 AM PST by Oreo Kookey
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To: kattracks
>> If you're looking at a memorial or any other thing that's been put on the road, then you're certainly not looking at the road.

That's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. What's their stand on billboards then? or quality architecture?

I recommend horse-blinds at a reasonable price..
4 posted on 10/27/2003 3:13:23 AM PST by a_Turk
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To: kattracks
I use one Maryland Rd. almost daily. It has numerous memorials left by family and classmates. I have even seen
groups of kids praying at one memorial with candles flickering in the dark. Maybe the Athiests saw the same
group of teens? The flowers and displays seem to be updated
every week or so. It does not bother me to see this. It makes me glance at my speed. The dead get another prayer.
The increased number of memorials should get the interest
of more than Athiests. What is it about this roadway that
has it starting to look like a graveyard?
5 posted on 10/27/2003 3:16:34 AM PST by oldironsides
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To: oldironsides
"It does not bother me to see this. It makes me glance at my speed"


...I have the same reaction. I don't think religion when I see a road side cross, I think, somebody died here, this may be a particularly dangerous section of road for whatever reason. I'll excercise a little more caution.
6 posted on 10/27/2003 3:30:52 AM PST by Graybeard58
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To: kattracks
I wonder how long it will be before they say they can see a church from the public highway and were offended?
Will we have to take worship to our basements to please these fools?
They are really starting to nitpick....
7 posted on 10/27/2003 4:09:28 AM PST by just me
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To: a_Turk
Very well put.

I agree wholeheartedly.

8 posted on 10/27/2003 4:15:20 AM PST by jos65
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To: kattracks; Southack; Squantos; harpseal; Cathryn Crawford; Cool Guy; Neets
American Atheists in Maryland said Friday they want the state to start removing roadside memorials; crosses, flowers and sometimes teddy bears that people leave next to highways where a loved one or family member has died in an automobile accident.

These people are not atheists. They are evil.

9 posted on 10/27/2003 4:19:01 AM PST by Lazamataz (I am the extended middle finger in the fist of life.)
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To: kattracks; jos65
And I've always been a proponent of female drivers being draped :)))

I've had many a near miss because of them!
10 posted on 10/27/2003 4:25:55 AM PST by a_Turk
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To: kattracks
I remember seeing my first roadside memorial almost 30 years ago while driving through the southwest. A white cross with some faded plastic flowers on it. A few years later, we saw some in Jamaica and in Mexico. I thought they were tacky. Now, the trend has obviously spread thoughout the country, even into Wisconsin. Last year 10 people were killed in the fog in Sheboygan County, and people had put up all kinds of memorials. I imagine it's good if it helps them deal with their terrible and sudden loss, but I still think hate those faded plastic flowers! I wish they could get into placing a flowering plant, low growing, or some sort of a garden spot to commemorate the memories of their loved ones, in my humble opinion.
11 posted on 10/27/2003 4:26:50 AM PST by giznort
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To: giznort
P.S. Screw the atheists. Put some of the flowers in the garden in a cross shape if you like. I'm sooo sorry if they're offended by the cross. Aren't we supposed to be tolerant and celebrate diversity? Or is that criticism reserved for Christians?
12 posted on 10/27/2003 4:28:25 AM PST by giznort
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To: giznort
I'm not a Christian but I'm sure not offended by those little crosses.
13 posted on 10/27/2003 4:32:29 AM PST by Lazamataz (I am the extended middle finger in the fist of life.)
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To: kattracks
There must be a God if they hate him so much. Otherwise they sure spend a lot of time fighting nothing.

The Blind Atheist

14 posted on 10/27/2003 4:32:42 AM PST by Raymond Hendrix
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To: kattracks
But she said people bothered by the memorials usually remove them themselves "because it's easier" than trying to get the state to remove them.

Let me see this, just once, and we's gonna ***kin' rumble.

15 posted on 10/27/2003 4:33:53 AM PST by Lazamataz (I am the extended middle finger in the fist of life.)
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To: kattracks
I guess these atheists want everyone to live a life void of feeling. What sad, sick people.
16 posted on 10/27/2003 4:34:25 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: kattracks
I think there should be a new law on the books, "If you don't believe in God, then God and things of God cannot possibly offend you. Get a freakin' life."
17 posted on 10/27/2003 4:35:35 AM PST by trebb
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To: kattracks
If you're looking at a memorial or any other thing that's been put on the road, then you're certainly not looking at the road. If it's religious in nature it could also be offensive to anyone who just wants to use the road. So it doesn't make sense from a couple of perspectives."

Well, then be prepared for action against any messages, religious or otherwise. No billboards, or advertising signs along the road. Geeze, I look on these memorials as warnings and they usually make me pay attention to the road!!!!

Not to mention the underlying "meanness" of their desire, perhaps these athiests want us all to fall asleep from bordom. But the sheer nonesense of their arguments really pisses me off. They don't want to be offended...poor babies, well I don't want to be offended either. I think we should get rid of all the trees along the side of the road, I personally find them offensive, oh wait...how about all those SUVs, now that's a major offense if you drive a little car! Another truely offensive and dangerous aspect of driving on the highways and byways of our country are those signs and stickers so many decorate their cars with, talk about a road hazard trying to read them can cause untold damage.

18 posted on 10/27/2003 4:40:42 AM PST by Diva
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To: kattracks
I agree with them. It's a distraction. Yes, there a dozens of distractions such as kids fighting in the back, billboards, and cell phones, but the more that's eliminated the less chance of accidents and even more deaths on the roadways. Sure, you might think to be safer on that particular stretch but you could also have an accident rubber necking to see all the junk decorating the scene. Yes, junk. And some of that junk blows into the street causing drivers to swerve. There was a wreath on a narrow bridge that fell into the roadway that I had to drive through rather than hit the side or another car. Another nearby is a huge cross with yards of fluttering fabric that's most distracting especially when the fabric gets loose and drifts into your lane. The most disgusting thing is the guy had been drinking but the family put beer cans around it because he liked his beer (hello!). The accident was his fault and he ruined someone else's life by having to live knowing they hit him and now they have to drive by his beer can memorial??? Besides these memorials are placed on public property. Public property. Put your memorials in your own homes or their cemetery plot, or better yet in your heart, but don't clutter up the side of public roads.
19 posted on 10/27/2003 4:44:16 AM PST by mtbopfuyn
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"They're shrines set up on public property everywhere and people really don't have the right to do that."

Atheists think rights come from the state? They may be painting themselves into a very tight corner. A leftist corner from the looks of it.

20 posted on 10/27/2003 4:46:12 AM PST by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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