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1 posted on 10/26/2003 9:52:12 PM PST by spectr17
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THANKS!
2 posted on 10/26/2003 9:53:56 PM PST by Brad’s Gramma (Logan's Home! Logan's Home! Logan's Home! Logan's Home! Logan's Home!)
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To: spectr17
One more time with correct links

Cal Fire Maps

http://wildfire.cr.usgs.gov/ca_geomac/viewer.htm

http://www.incidentcontrol.com

Live online scanner feeds for fire, cops, CDF, air attack

http://www.live365.com/stations/kb6jag

FYI, this one gives pop ups if you use it.

No pop ups on this feed

http://www.police-scanner.info/livescan.htm

Another live scanner feed.

Click on Big Bear Feed

http://www.compucations.com/nuke/html/modules.php?name=LiveScanners

another live feed for socal, Verdugo Fire Communications Center

http://verdugo.ci.glendale.ca.us/radio.html

CHP Dispatch

http://cad.chp.ca.gov/

CDF AIR CHANNELS


Red - 151.220 - Air to ground units
Blue - 151.280 - Air to air
Green - 151.295 - Air to air
Yellow - 151.310 - Air to air
Victor - 122.925 AM - Air to air for contract helicopters

List of channels for SoCal

http://www.qsl.net/ke6alv/

Get a copy of Police call for when you're mobile.

http://www.policecall.com/

San Bernardino National Forest

171.475 mhz and 172.225

123.9750 National Air Tanker Base Freq.
135.9750 Air ops
151.2200 CDF Red Air to Ground
151.2650 CDF Region
151.3100 CDF Air Tactics 6
151.3550 CDF Command Net 1
154.2650 OES White Fire 2
154.2800 OES White Fire 1
154.2950 OES White Fire 3
164.1250 Fire Camp Service Net
166.6125 "Command" Fontana area
166.8500 Air attack
167.9500 BLM Air to Ground
168.0500 NIFC Tac 1
168.0750 NIFC Tac 3
168.200 NIFC Tac 2 (Crew Net)
168.2500 BLM? "Command"
168.4000 BLM "Command"
168.6000 NIFC Tac 3
168.6250 Air Guard
169.1250 Calif. Fire Travel Net
169.0625 vehicle mechanics?
170.0000 Air to Ground Region 5
173.9125 Region 5 Tac 4
173.9625 Region 5 Tac 5
173.9875 Region 5 Tac 6
415.5500 National Air channel

HAM

145.220

Los Angeles Area

KNBC: http://www.nbc4.tv

KABC: http://www.abc7.com

KCBS: http://www.cbs2.com

KTTV: http://www.fox11la.com

KCAL: http://www.kcal.com

San Diego

http://nbcsandiego.feedroom.com/?fr_story=af0368e01c0323615f2e6f30970885b317fe905c
4 posted on 10/26/2003 9:54:17 PM PST by spectr17
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Great job, thanks for the new thread.
5 posted on 10/26/2003 9:54:23 PM PST by GOPrincess
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Bring it on i read faster than i post
6 posted on 10/26/2003 9:54:36 PM PST by al baby (Ice cream does not have bones)
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Incident: 0275 Type: Media Information
Location: FIRE CLOSURE INFO
Zoom Map: Click Here
Info as of: 10/26/2003 9:56:46 PM

ADDITIONAL DETAILS
9:30PM -
9:15PM - OLD HWY 80 AT DUNBAR LANE CLOSED
8:25PM - VALLEY CTR AT HARRAS
8:25PM - VALLEY CTR AT WOODS VALLEY
8:25PM - VALLEY CTR AT LAKE WOHLFORD
8:25PM - SR-94 WILL BE CLOSED AT OTAY LAKES ROAD
8:11PM - I-8 CLOSED BETWEEN LOS COCHES RD AND SR-79
8:06PM - SR-67 CLOSED BETWEEN LAKESIDE AND MOUNT WOODSON
8:06PM - SR-163 CLOSED BETWEEN CLAIREMONT MESA BL AND I-15
8:06PM - SR-52 CLOSED BETWEEN 805 AND MISSION GORGE
8:00PM - I-15 CLOSED BETWEEN FRIARS RD AND TED WILLIAMS PKWY
8:00PM - ROAD CLOSURE UP-DATES
11 posted on 10/26/2003 9:57:43 PM PST by nicmarlo
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To: spectr17
For perspective: The Oakland/Berkely Hills Firestorm of 1991
13 posted on 10/26/2003 9:59:35 PM PST by sourcery (Moderator bites can be very nasty!)
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I had lots of ash by me and helped a little myself elsewhere today.

Question, did Fallbrook/Temecula have and fires. If so, where?
19 posted on 10/26/2003 10:01:27 PM PST by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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Bump, as a bookmark
24 posted on 10/26/2003 10:03:50 PM PST by Not now, Not ever! (10101100)
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My sis is in Victorville, my college roommate is in San Diego, my hubby's college roommate is in Fallbrook, I have cousins and many friends out there. We just moved to Texas from Claremont, Calif. last November. We watched the forest wild fires from our apartment balcony last year in Claremont. It looked like the Flames of Hell. It is a scary sight. We had a house fire at our house almost three weeks ago. Didn't do a lot of damage, but it was scary seeing three firetrucks coming to MY House. They kept the fire small. Just lost a back wall of a closet. But I know the helpless feeling now of seeing flames consuming part of your home. It is the most horrible feeling. And we have lived through many earthquakes and hurricanes....
37 posted on 10/26/2003 10:11:14 PM PST by buffyt (Can you say President Hillary, Hairy Hildabeast, Mistress of ALL Darkness? Me Neither!)
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most excellent.
45 posted on 10/26/2003 10:13:45 PM PST by lainie
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Art Bell says he will be taking his first calls tonight exclusively from fire witnesses.
52 posted on 10/26/2003 10:16:08 PM PST by ravinson
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To: spectr17; bonesmccoy; Travis McGee; Carry_Okie; All
Thanks for starting this new thread.

At this time we have no idea if the fires were caused by arson or not. If arson was involved, we have no idea who started the fires.

However, there is plenty of documentation that the Watermelon Enviralists set up these forests to become tinder boxes waiting for arson or nature caused fires.

Carry Okie has justposted a very recent and scientific paper to what has set up these fire conditions in S. California and what happened in Oregon last year.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1008628/posts?page=1,20

Crisis on our National Forests: Reducing the Threat of Catastrophic Wildfire [San Bernardino Fires]
The Congressional Record ^ | August 25, 2003 | DR. THOMAS M. BONNICKSEN


Posted on 10/26/2003 5:44 PM PST by Carry_Okie



WRITTEN STATEMENT FOR THE RECORD

OF

DR. THOMAS M. BONNICKSEN

PROFESSOR

DEPARTMENT OF FOREST SCIENCE

TEXAS A&M UNIVERSITY

and

visiting scholar and board member

The forest foundation

auburn, california

OVERSIGHT HEARING ON

Crisis on our National Forests: Reducing the Threat of Catastrophic Wildfire to Central Oregon Communities and the Surrounding Environment

BEFORE THE

COMMITTEE ON RESOURCES

UNITED STATES HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

Deschutes County Fairgrounds Expo Center
3800 SW Airport Way, Redmond, Oregon

Monday
August 25, 2003
2:00 PM

INTRODUCTION My name is Dr. Thomas M. Bonnicksen. I am a forest ecologist and professor in the Department of Forest Science at Texas A&M University. I am also a visiting scholar and board member of The Forest Foundation in Auburn, California. I have conducted research on the history and restoration of America’s native forests for more than thirty years. I have written over 100 scientific and technical papers and I recently published a book titled America’s Ancient Forests: from the Ice Age to the Age of Discovery (Copyright January 2000, John Wiley & Sons, Inc., 594 pages). The book documents the 18,000-year history of North America’s native forests.

Contact information is located at the end of this written statement.

UNHEALTHY AND DANGEROUS Forests

Our national forests are growing older and thicker, some reaching astronomical densities of 2,000 trees per acre where 40-50 trees per acre would be natural. A forest can stagnate for many decades or even centuries under such crowded conditions. Consequently, plant and animal species that require open conditions are disappearing, streams are drying as thickets of trees use up water, insects and disease are reaching epidemic proportions, and unnaturally hot wildfires have destroyed vast areas of forest.


Since 1990, we have lost 50 million acres of forest to wildfire and suffered the destruction of over 4,800 homes. The fires of 2000 burned 8.4 million acres and destroyed 861 structures. The 2002 fire season resulted in a loss of 6.9 million acres and 2,381 structures destroyed, including 835 homes. These staggering losses from wildfire also resulted in taxpayers paying $2.9 billion in firefighting costs. This does not include vast sums spent to rehabilitate damaged forests and replace homes.


The 2003 fire season is shaping up to be potentially as bad. Fire danger is very high to extreme in much of the Interior West, Northwest, and portions of California and the Northern Rockies due to overgrown forests, an extended drought, and insect damaged trees.


Not only are fires destroying America’s forests, bark beetles and other insects are killing trees on a scale never before seen. Forests in Arizona, the Northern Rockies, and California have been especially hard hit by beetles.


I have been working in California’s forests since the late 1960s. Never have I seen anything more dangerous than the overgrown, beetle-ravaged forests of the San Bernardino and San Jacinto Mountains. I am concerned for the safety of people living in communities surrounded by these forests.


About 90 percent of the pines will be dead when the beetles end their rampage. Then, forest communities like Lake Arrowhead and Idyllwild will look like any treeless suburb of Los Angeles. Whole neighborhoods are already barren of trees where houses once hid in a thick forest.


This disaster affects everyone who cares about America’s forests, but it is especially serious for the people who live and recreate in these mountains. Dead trees are falling on houses, cars, and power lines, and they could easily fuel a catastrophic wildfire. That’s why arborists are cutting trees at a frantic pace, but they cannot keep up with the insects.


Unfortunately, it is too late for the San Bernardino and San Jacinto Mountains. The original pine forest will be gone soon. We must start over, and we must do it fast before a wildfire turns what's left of the forest into brush and communities into rubble.


WHY forests are unhealthy and dangerous


If we looked back two hundred years, 91 percent of our forests were more open because Indian and lightning fires burned regularly. These were mostly gentle fires that stayed on the ground as they wandered around under the trees. You could walk over the flames without burning your legs even though they occasionally flared up and killed small groups of trees. Such hot spots kept forests diverse by creating openings where young trees and shrubs could grow.


Fires burned often enough in historic forests to clear dead wood and small trees from under the big trees, and they thinned some of the weak and diseased big trees as well. These were sunny forests that explorers described as open enough to gallop a horse through without hitting a tree. Open and patchy forests like this also were immune from monster fires like those that recently scorched Oregon, Arizona, Colorado, and California.


Our forests look different today. They are crowded with trees of all sizes and filled with logs and dead trees. You can barely walk through them, let alone ride a horse.


Now monster fires and hordes of insects are devouring trees with unprecedented ferocity because our forests are so dense. The role of drought in causing the problem is overstated. Drought contributes to the crisis, but it is not the underlying cause. There are simply too many trees.


In the case of Southern California, the drought added more stress to an already unhealthy and dangerous forest, so bark beetles took control. They made the wildfire danger even more critical by killing trees, turning them into instant fuel. The smallest spark could cause a human catastrophe.


Trees are so crowded they have to divide what little moisture is available in the soil. During normal rainfall years, the trees have barely enough moisture to produce the sap needed to keep out the beetles. They cannot resist attack during dry years. A healthy forest can survive a beetle attack during a drought with only moderate mortality. A thick and stressed forest cannot. Therefore, the drought triggered the insect epidemic, but it didn't cause it.


We know how we got into this fix: forest management stalled because environmental activists, government officials, and politicians engaged in endless debates on how to look after our forests. Central to the debate is that environmentalists want thick forests. They lobbied for years to convert forests to old growth, which they define as dense, multi-layered, and filled with dead trees and logs. Meanwhile, trees grew and forests became thicker because they care nothing about politics. Now insects riddle our trees with holes and wildfires turn them into charcoal.


The debates continue, and bark beetles have taken control of the San Bernardino and San Jacinto Mountains, as well as other western forests. It is time for people to shape the destiny of their forests instead of leaving the decision to mindless insects and the harsh indifference of wildfires.

(excerpt, please go to the link below to read the rest of this incredible and timely paper).

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1008628/posts?page
58 posted on 10/26/2003 10:21:01 PM PST by Grampa Dave (Get a free FR coffee mug! Donate $10 monthly to Free Republic or 34 cents/day!)
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Thanks
85 posted on 10/26/2003 10:31:33 PM PST by GOPJ
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If I can please bother you,

Where is Chino Hills in all these fires? Read a report yesterday that the football game was postponed because of smoke.

Have relatives there & haven't been able to get a hold of them yesterday or today. Woefully ignorant of CA in general & can't find a map with deatails of the areas that you're giving fire details for. I do know that Chino Hills is near San Bernardino if not in San Bernardino County.

Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Prayers up for all freepers in the fire areas & all their loved ones worrying about them.

126 posted on 10/26/2003 11:31:59 PM PST by MIsunshine
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I must commend you for your consistent work on here with the fires. I usually do all of the hurricane stuff...that is my thang. You got this locked up good. Keep it up...its obvious that the networks don't give a shit.
141 posted on 10/26/2003 11:54:15 PM PST by My Favorite Headache (I Want A Girlfriend)
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http://www.sundiegolive.com/ <---Live radio coverage of San Diego fires with web cam view from Shelter Island.
179 posted on 10/27/2003 12:44:12 AM PST by Gucho
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http://www.kabc.com/home.asp <-----Fire coverage live from LA.
185 posted on 10/27/2003 1:48:49 AM PST by Gucho
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http://www.kogo.com/streaming.html <---San Diego live coverage on area fires.
190 posted on 10/27/2003 2:31:50 AM PST by Gucho
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My wife works for airlines and they cancelled her flights to SoCal the last two days.

I am in the "enemy terrorists started this" camp.
259 posted on 10/27/2003 5:29:47 AM PST by kinghorse
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To step outside in east Chula Vista this morning is to step inside a gigantic ashtray. I was outside for about 2 minutes and my clothes and hair reek of smoke.
279 posted on 10/27/2003 5:54:22 AM PST by Mrs.Liberty ("Oh people, this is freedom! "...Liberated Iraqi man, 09 APR 2003)
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