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Fyodor Dostoevsky, writing against the materialist captivity overtaking the thinking of the Russian intelligentsia in pre-revolutionary Russia, remarked that the abandonment of faith in God would render man susceptible to all forms of ideology, most of it dangerous and destructive.
1 posted on 10/26/2003 7:47:31 AM PST by NYer
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To: NYer; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; ...
Great post, thanks!
2 posted on 10/26/2003 7:48:42 AM PST by narses ("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
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TERRI SCHIAVO PING! – let me know if you want on/off this ping list

Catholic Ping - let me know if you want on/off this list

3 posted on 10/26/2003 7:49:35 AM PST by NYer ("Close your ears to the whisperings of hell and bravely oppose its onslaughts." ---St Clare Assisi)
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My wife and I deeply appreciate the great effort you are making on behalf of Terri Schiavo.

Warm thanks.
4 posted on 10/26/2003 7:51:55 AM PST by 8mmMauser
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Dostoevsky is my favorite theologian of all time.
5 posted on 10/26/2003 8:02:31 AM PST by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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Ping the troops...
6 posted on 10/26/2003 8:04:21 AM PST by Ladysmith (Low-carbing works!! (223.0 (-37.6)))
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My favorite line in this writing is -

"People are reduced to commodities, their value determined by the benefit they give to the stronger around them."

This enables me to see the vast movement as one, in which both Terri and other useless eaters are worthy only of elimination, and also brings into play the work of eyeing sick and brain damaged children for organ harvesting.

13 posted on 10/26/2003 8:25:21 AM PST by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: katnip
Martyr is exactly the correct term for use here.
15 posted on 10/26/2003 8:27:55 AM PST by MarMema (KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
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To: NYer
“When is that bitch gonna die?” Michael asked Carla Sauer...

Quite an indictment, is there a link for that one?

16 posted on 10/26/2003 8:28:32 AM PST by StACase
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To: NYer
My wife and I have been watching this tragedy unfold for quite sometime now.

The one lesson we both learned from Terri's plight, is the need for a detailed and iron-clad living will.

As far as I an concerned, when it comes to artificially sustaining life (not Terri's case, I know), I want nothing to do with that.

"Thy will be done."
17 posted on 10/26/2003 8:28:43 AM PST by Luis Gonzalez (Those who think they know, really piss off those of us who truly do.)
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To: NYer
Good to hear the Catholic Church weighing in on this. I'd like to hear from the Roman Catholic church. Perhaps they're busy dealing with other things.
18 posted on 10/26/2003 8:31:10 AM PST by ladyjane
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Musings From My Quiet Porch

On Saturday, I sat in a recliner and watched a very long but exciting televised football game, Alabama versus Tennessee. As I watched from the chair, was my quality of life good or diminished? After all, the images and sounds were fully artificial stimulation to my brain. ... Since no one has yet proven Terri is not still 'in there', to my thinking, if she spent her remaining years in a recliner, watching what she preferred on the tele, her quality of life would at least be her choice determined by which channels she wanted to watch, not something defined by others with stock in getting rid of the 'non-productive'.

Quality of life is a penumbra--to borrow the fiating court's favorite term when engineering society as opposed to interpreting constitutionality. It is raised to defend killing alive prenatal children ... it's the quality of life of the one hiring the serial killer that is at the heart of most of those 'choices', though the ghouls defending the indefensible will prattle on about child abuse and neglect, as if possible future abuse or neglect is more heinous than the extreme abuse with malice aforethought being actively planned and methodically carried out in abortuaries; society must protect its quality of life, by executing those children who will require our collective care to prevent the abuse and neglect! In Terri's case, it is Michael Schiavo's 'quality of life' that drives the mission to execute Terri. To be sure, ghouls like Felos will assert that Terri's quality of life is so low as to be extinguishable as a humane thing toward her. But the truth is not so easily hidden when one looks even casually at the features-advantages-benefits of executing those dependent on life support. Mark this well: if this trend of ghoulish executions via dehydration become accpetable in America, crib-bound infants will be the next class of alive human beings lined up for 'putting down'. It is already accpetable to cite a cleft palate as the approved reason to reach into the womb and kill an alive baby. The slope leads directly to the life supporter having the court approved right to withhold life support when the child is difficult to care for thus improving the quality of life for those giving life support, though it will be couched as freeing the little one from a life of difficulty, possible pain, and mental suffering.

Particularly assinine are the assertions by some that Terri Schiavo is brain dead, and that because she is in such misery still 'trapped in her body', it would be more humane to put her down and release her. Astonishing, that deadly duplicitous thinking ... if she's brain dead, she hasn't the consciousness to be in misery, so it is the projection of the braying ass that is better characterized as 'misery'. But what if she isn't brain dead?... Well, no one has tried to give her sufficient rehabilitation therapy to then ask her what she wants done with her! This entire horror is one perpetrated in the name of humanity, by demonspawn who have their selfish quality of life at issue, not the lives of those they advocate putting down.

19 posted on 10/26/2003 8:33:04 AM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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Zing:

Christopher Reeves can’t feed himself – should we kill him too?

28 posted on 10/26/2003 8:42:11 AM PST by GOPJ
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To: NYer
Our Heavenly Father is alive! Praise His Holy Name. This article is simply spiritually wonderful. Amen.
32 posted on 10/26/2003 8:57:25 AM PST by Saundra Duffy (For victory & freedom!!!)
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Pingin in...What a breath of fresh air from the Greek Orthodox church or at least Father Jacobse.

And what a terrible tragedy that two Greek Americans are involved in this selfish death cult. Like Kevorkian (of Armenian descent) Felos and Bambakidis aggressively promote death instead of a life affirming position given the horrors of genocide they have suffered at the hands of Muslims for hundreds of years.

39 posted on 10/26/2003 9:41:00 AM PST by eleni121
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BUMP!!!
45 posted on 10/26/2003 10:44:07 AM PST by Robert Drobot (God, family, country. All else is meaningless.)
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Bulletin: Eleanor Clift calls for Terri's death!!!

Popular "Newsweek" columnist and panelist on PBS's "McLaughlin Group" this weekend called for immediate death for the stricken disabled FL woman Terri Schindler Schiavo. The fact that Clift, who started with "Newsweek" 40 years ago as a fact checker, endorses the "right-to-die" is no surprise. What was surprising was her vehemence that Terri be immediatley starved and deydrated again. Clift considers her a distasteful "vegetable."

John McLaughin, a former Catholic priest and former husband of Reagan's Labor Secretary Ann McLaughlin, should have fired her on the set for a lack of the "compassion" that she has long claimed to represent. It could have been like that time many years ago (I read about it, didn't see it) when Arthur Godfrey fired Julius LaRosa on the air.

Panelist Pat Buchanan opposed death for Terri, but the segment ended before he could elaborate on his coments.

I am sending this to other Terri threads to get maximum exposure.
48 posted on 10/26/2003 11:32:42 AM PST by Theodore R.
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Michael Schiavo wants “that bitch to die” because of the financial payoff.

Sorry . . . no financial payoff was at issue when Mikey executed a fit of Criminal Strangulation upon Terri . . . hence causing her body to fail to deliver oxygen to her brain!!! But thereafter, over $1 million became available, primarily for her care and therapy. Only then did money become the secondary moving factor for Mikey!!!

Now Terri's death has a twofold meaning for the "loving husband". . . 1st to eliminate the only witness to his Criminal Strangulation and 2nd to steal all the money that was awarded for Terri's care and therapy !!!

But now the problem is to protect Terri from further attempts by Mikey to kill her. She needs to be whisked away to another location . . . away from the Hospice of Hell where she is now held hostage by her attempted murderer(s) !!!

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52 posted on 10/26/2003 11:51:03 AM PST by GeekDejure
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To: NYer
BUMP
53 posted on 10/26/2003 12:26:43 PM PST by nickcarraway (www.terrisfight.org)
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It seems to me, that this lady may be alive, but is not living. Have you thought about the ramifications of keeping her from her everlasting reward, as opposed to the hell on Earth she is now experiencing? If her husband is going to face a judgement for her early death, surely those responsible for keeping her from a transition to the afterlife, will also face a reckoning. In her position, I would choose to move on, as would most people. Keeping her alive, along with the emotional turmoil to those wishing for recovery, or praying for an end, serves no one. It is a battle I would not choose to enter.
63 posted on 10/28/2003 8:39:09 AM PST by jeremiah (Sunshine scares all of them, for they all are cockaroaches)
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