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The Martyrdom of Terri Schiavo
Orthodoxy Today ^
| October 26, 2003
| Fr. Johannes L. Jacobse
Posted on 10/26/2003 7:47:30 AM PST by NYer
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Fyodor Dostoevsky, writing against the materialist captivity overtaking the thinking of the Russian intelligentsia in pre-revolutionary Russia, remarked that the abandonment of faith in God would render man susceptible to all forms of ideology, most of it dangerous and destructive.
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posted on
10/26/2003 7:47:31 AM PST
by
NYer
To: NYer; GatorGirl; maryz; *Catholic_list; afraidfortherepublic; Antoninus; Aquinasfan; Askel5; ...
Great post, thanks!
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posted on
10/26/2003 7:48:42 AM PST
by
narses
("The do-it-yourself Mass is ended. Go in peace" Francis Cardinal Arinze of Nigeria)
To: Cindy; luv2lurkhere; Budge; floriduh voter; summer; Coleus; amom; ruoflaw; submarine; ...
TERRI SCHIAVO PING! let me know if you want on/off this ping list
Catholic Ping - let me know if you want on/off this list
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posted on
10/26/2003 7:49:35 AM PST
by
NYer
("Close your ears to the whisperings of hell and bravely oppose its onslaughts." ---St Clare Assisi)
To: NYer; narses
My wife and I deeply appreciate the great effort you are making on behalf of Terri Schiavo.
Warm thanks.
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posted on
10/26/2003 7:51:55 AM PST
by
8mmMauser
To: NYer; katnip; FormerLib; OldCorps; TexConfederate1861; newberger
Dostoevsky is my favorite theologian of all time.
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posted on
10/26/2003 8:02:31 AM PST
by
MarMema
(KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
To: sweetliberty
Ping the troops...
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posted on
10/26/2003 8:04:21 AM PST
by
Ladysmith
(Low-carbing works!! (223.0 (-37.6)))
To: Ladysmith; Budge; Pegita; cyn; Calpernia; Babalu; floriduh voter; dandelion; PleaseNoMore; ...
"The public battle over whether she should live or die is a titan struggle between those who reference that higher truth, and those whose value of human life is determined by the calculus of temporal expediency."Very well put.
Terri's Army ping! If you want on or off of this list, please let me know.
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posted on
10/26/2003 8:09:50 AM PST
by
sweetliberty
("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
To: sweetliberty
the abandonment of faith in God would render man susceptible to all forms of ideology, most of it dangerous and destructive. We have witnessed this in a mere generation in our country. What a sad state of affairs it is in which we now live. Thanks for the ping sweetliberty.
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posted on
10/26/2003 8:16:51 AM PST
by
nicmarlo
To: nicmarlo
I just had a hunch you were lurking about this morning nic. Had your coffee yet?
.
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posted on
10/26/2003 8:20:25 AM PST
by
sweetliberty
("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
To: sweetliberty
Indeed ... the battle is about good vs. evil, right vs. wrong, the sanctity of live vs. the "quality" of life, and moral relativism.
It reminds me of this passage in my favorite book (the same one that defines good, evil, right and wrong):
21. And they asked him, saying, Master, we know that thou sayest and teachest rightly, neither acceptest thou the person of any, but teachest the way of God truly:
22. Is it lawful for us to give tribute unto Caesar, or no?
23. But he perceived their craftiness, and said unto them, Why tempt ye me?
24. Shew me a penny. Whose image and superscription hath it? They answered and said, Caesar's.
25. And he said unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which be Caesar's, and unto God the things which be God's.
26. And they could not take hold of his words before the people: and they marvelled at his answer, and held their peace.
Luke 20:21-26
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posted on
10/26/2003 8:21:31 AM PST
by
Babalu
("Tracer rounds work both ways ...")
To: sweetliberty
Wasn't lurking...... : ) Just was able to finally get my turn on the computer.......now daughter called....have to go pick her up (sheesh). I'll be back. Save that cuppa joe for me! : )
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posted on
10/26/2003 8:22:40 AM PST
by
nicmarlo
To: nicmarlo
Will do.
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posted on
10/26/2003 8:24:41 AM PST
by
sweetliberty
("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
To: All
My favorite line in this writing is -
"People are reduced to commodities, their value determined by the benefit they give to the stronger around them."
This enables me to see the vast movement as one, in which both Terri and other useless eaters are worthy only of elimination, and also brings into play the work of eyeing sick and brain damaged children for organ harvesting.
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posted on
10/26/2003 8:25:21 AM PST
by
MarMema
(KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
To: NYer; sweetliberty; cpforlife.org; kimmie7; floriduh voter; Robert Drobot; pc93; lakey; ...
NYer, please add me to your ping list. We have so many wonderful Freepers with Terri ping lists. Since I already pester people with pings throughout the day w/ war news, I'm retiring my Terri ping list and asking anyone on my list to please add your name to another Terri ping list.
This is the best piece I've seen on Terri's case. Thank you so much.
Tomorrow Judge Demers is choosing a Guardian for Terri.
Forwarding this essay to people involved in Terri's case:
Please keep up the contacts, all. Let those in charge of Terri's care know we're paying attention.
cpforlife.org's friend is looking for case files re. Greer, Lazarra (sp) to share with the FBI. For details please ping cp.
You can be sure that ACLU activists are contacting the FSC.
~~~
The ACLJ (American Center for Law and Justice) has been following Terri's case, with updates at their website: http://www.aclj.org
Now that the ACLU has joined the enemy, perhaps we can recruit Jay Sekulow for Terri and for life:
ACLJ.org: Legal Helpline: 1-800-296-4529
~~~
ddemers@co.pinellas.fl.us ~ Judge David Demers, 6th Judicial Court, the Judge who will appoint Terri's guardian tomorrow - potential GAL Jay Wolfson.
~~~~~
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posted on
10/26/2003 8:27:55 AM PST
by
Ragtime Cowgirl
("2 years: tyrannies defeated,nations rescued,millions of people liberated" Rummy,10/10-AP:"FAILURE!")
To: katnip
Martyr is exactly the correct term for use here.
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posted on
10/26/2003 8:27:55 AM PST
by
MarMema
(KILLING ISN'T MEDICINE)
To: NYer
When is that bitch gonna die? Michael asked Carla Sauer...Quite an indictment, is there a link for that one?
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posted on
10/26/2003 8:28:32 AM PST
by
StACase
To: NYer
My wife and I have been watching this tragedy unfold for quite sometime now.
The one lesson we both learned from Terri's plight, is the need for a detailed and iron-clad living will.
As far as I an concerned, when it comes to artificially sustaining life (not Terri's case, I know), I want nothing to do with that.
"Thy will be done."
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posted on
10/26/2003 8:28:43 AM PST
by
Luis Gonzalez
(Those who think they know, really piss off those of us who truly do.)
To: NYer
Good to hear the Catholic Church weighing in on this. I'd like to hear from the Roman Catholic church. Perhaps they're busy dealing with other things.
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posted on
10/26/2003 8:31:10 AM PST
by
ladyjane
To: NYer; Piltdown_Woman; cpforlife.org; Robert Drobot; spunkets
Musings From My Quiet Porch On Saturday, I sat in a recliner and watched a very long but exciting televised football game, Alabama versus Tennessee. As I watched from the chair, was my quality of life good or diminished? After all, the images and sounds were fully artificial stimulation to my brain. ... Since no one has yet proven Terri is not still 'in there', to my thinking, if she spent her remaining years in a recliner, watching what she preferred on the tele, her quality of life would at least be her choice determined by which channels she wanted to watch, not something defined by others with stock in getting rid of the 'non-productive'.
Quality of life is a penumbra--to borrow the fiating court's favorite term when engineering society as opposed to interpreting constitutionality. It is raised to defend killing alive prenatal children ... it's the quality of life of the one hiring the serial killer that is at the heart of most of those 'choices', though the ghouls defending the indefensible will prattle on about child abuse and neglect, as if possible future abuse or neglect is more heinous than the extreme abuse with malice aforethought being actively planned and methodically carried out in abortuaries; society must protect its quality of life, by executing those children who will require our collective care to prevent the abuse and neglect! In Terri's case, it is Michael Schiavo's 'quality of life' that drives the mission to execute Terri. To be sure, ghouls like Felos will assert that Terri's quality of life is so low as to be extinguishable as a humane thing toward her. But the truth is not so easily hidden when one looks even casually at the features-advantages-benefits of executing those dependent on life support. Mark this well: if this trend of ghoulish executions via dehydration become accpetable in America, crib-bound infants will be the next class of alive human beings lined up for 'putting down'. It is already accpetable to cite a cleft palate as the approved reason to reach into the womb and kill an alive baby. The slope leads directly to the life supporter having the court approved right to withhold life support when the child is difficult to care for thus improving the quality of life for those giving life support, though it will be couched as freeing the little one from a life of difficulty, possible pain, and mental suffering.
Particularly assinine are the assertions by some that Terri Schiavo is brain dead, and that because she is in such misery still 'trapped in her body', it would be more humane to put her down and release her. Astonishing, that deadly duplicitous thinking ... if she's brain dead, she hasn't the consciousness to be in misery, so it is the projection of the braying ass that is better characterized as 'misery'. But what if she isn't brain dead?... Well, no one has tried to give her sufficient rehabilitation therapy to then ask her what she wants done with her! This entire horror is one perpetrated in the name of humanity, by demonspawn who have their selfish quality of life at issue, not the lives of those they advocate putting down.
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posted on
10/26/2003 8:33:04 AM PST
by
MHGinTN
(If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
To: MarMema
This is a powerful article and the idea that we are being "reduced to commodities" resounds in our culture where profits overrule ethics at every turn.
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